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Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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The worst part for me (and I really am feeling bad about this) is that I should be concerned about the victims right now, but I can't stop thinking about what freedoms I'll be losing as a result of this.

Of course, because you are spoiled, whining nerd, who has no idea about real suffering.

If you're not for the third world then you have no idea at all about REAL suffering.

A bomb in a sports event? That's suffering people eat for breakfast around other parts of the world.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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You seem to be implying that because North Korea is less free than us, we are completely free with nothing to lose. That's pretty faulty logic. Better to be aware of the freedoms we are losing (even though we still have many) than to risk ending up like North Korea.

> You seem to be implying that because North Korea is less free than us, we are completely free with nothing to lose. That's pretty faulty logic. Better to be aware of the freedoms we are losing (even though we still have many) than to risk ending up like North Korea. Clearly my point completely flew over your head. I was only commenting on how ridiculous it was that tomjen3 claimed that we had already lost all our f…

Good point. I misread tomjen3's original comment.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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I think it largely depends on who will be found as the culprit. If it would be found that this is an Islamist terror attack the aftermath will be much more pronounced then a scenario where the blame will be on say some extreme right wing group. Much of the lose of freedom we all suffer from is due to entrenched xenophobia becoming political agenda, it seems much harder to enact changes when the criminals are white Am…

Culprit (Saudi national?) may have been found. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_susp...

This is a rumor BPD already shot down, after NY Post ran the story.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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Used to be that a terrorist was defined as someone who likes to further their agenda by means of spreading terror. Explosions, destruction, loss of life - that's all completely incidental to the actual terror. A person running amok, in contrast, may be a terrorist (and people like Breivik certainly fit the bill in some aspects) but their main goal is committing mass murder, usually culminating in suicide. A convincin…

I don't think anything much has changed. It's interesting to look at Joseph Conrad's "The Secret Agent" -- published in 1907 -- which is based on a true story (of an anarchist attack on the Greenwich Observatory in 1894). All the elements of modern "terrorism" are there back then: a half-wit dupe bomber, nutjobs with a crazy ideology (anarchism in this case), and national actors manipulating them from behind the scen…

> All the elements of modern "terrorism" are there back then: a half-wit dupe bomber, nutjobs with a crazy ideology (anarchism in this case), and national actors manipulating them from behind the scenes.

And before that there were of course the Russians, where I think everything started (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Russia#19th_centu...):

> Nechaev argued that the purpose of revolutionary terror is not to gain a support of masses, but to the contrary, inflict misery and fear on the common population. According to Nechayev, a revolutionary must terrorize civilians to incite rebellions.

Fact is, I also believe that the Tsarist secret police Okhrana was much better at actually fighting the "terrorists" using classic methods like "infiltrating and influencing revolutionary groups, rather than merely identifying and arresting their members", compared to what the US secret agencies are doing right now. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhrana)

It's crazy that I was just reading a couple of days ago about how the CIA had almost turned into a military unit because of its control over the drone war, instead of doing actual information agency work.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 34s BREAKING NEWS: Police getting multiple reports of unexploded devices around Boston 3.38 pm Central time. Update: The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 28s RT @billy_baker: "It's not safe to be here." - Boston Police evacuating Commonwealth Avenue mall at Gloucester. 3.45 Central time. Update: The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 1m Boston Police: If anyone knows of any information call about exp…

Has any named official confirmed the cell service shutdown? I'm hearing the opposite. The original shutdown report I heard was attributed to an unnamed BPD source. This is obviously a particularly easy rumor to spread when the networks are all jammed up with callers.

You might be right. It's contradicted by both Sprint and Verizon here: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/official-cellphone-service-sh...

Edit: And, it seems, AT&T: https://twitter.com/ATT/status/323915702132150272

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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There's no way to prevent every crisis. Just because something bad happens doesn't mean that there is something that you could have done to stop it. Sometimes people just need to realize that things happen and we don't have to pass new laws and regulations every time something bad happens.

Try saying that when you are directly affected by actions like this. It is easy to stand back at 100ft and say this type of crap, but the fact is, crazy people are all around us, and we should try to be proactive instead of reactive. We as a society owe it ourselves to reflect on events such as this, and see if there was anything that could have been done to prevent it. If the answer is yes, then we SHOULD act. Does…

The problem is that there's always "something" more that could be done to prevent these types of incidents, but eventually the costs of additional preventative measures will outweigh the reduction in risk they provide, if they haven't already.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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CBS LOCAL reports that security footage shows man with multiple backpacks near the scene before explosion, reporters suggest devices were placed in trashcans, and police have recovered at least one unexploded device: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/15/several-hurt-in-explos...

Update: Police commissioner Ed Davis claims there is no suspect in custody: http://www.businessinsider.com/live-boston-mayor-holds-press...

Original NY POST reporting: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_bost...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_susp...

WBZ NEWS 1030 is reporting that a Saudi national was tackled and turned into police, they are questioning him, but he's cooperating and denies any involvement. live feed: http://tunein.com/radio/WBZ-NewsRadio-1030-s27704/

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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I think it largely depends on who will be found as the culprit. If it would be found that this is an Islamist terror attack the aftermath will be much more pronounced then a scenario where the blame will be on say some extreme right wing group. Much of the lose of freedom we all suffer from is due to entrenched xenophobia becoming political agenda, it seems much harder to enact changes when the criminals are white Am…

Culprit (Saudi national?) may have been found. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_susp...

I remember when they found the 9/11 bombers in a Boston hotel, too.

While figuring out who did this will be very very important, right now it's not something the public should worry about.

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