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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Barrin92 wrote: post #167
bawolff wrote: post #157

What does it means to be a "fake" think tank? 80% of think tanks are already propaganda vehicles. A low end think tank is basically a pretentious blog.

>What does it means to be a "fake" think tank? presumably that you don't have employees that do any of the proverbial thinking, which is the case here. Every think tank has its biases and funding sources but something like RAND is an actual entity at which people do research, this "Hanover Public Policy Institute" has nothing to do with Hanover, policy and isn't an institute, but a deliberately misleadingly presentin…

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by DrScientist »

giov4 wrote: post #371

Interesting but nothing new, all countries doing the same but any information coming from Israel is clearly poisoned to try compensate the negative image that they clearly represent. Just see the garbage coming from a web search (totally polluted and poisoned with the same spam output quality since years) so this is just an extension of that towards the input of ai. they can try hard but any person with a non-biased…

At this stage I'm not sure it's about persuasion per se - pretty much everybody who is paying the slightest attention knows what's going on.

I mean Ben Gvir couldn't be more explicit.

Now it's more about giving a fig leaf of plausible ( sic ) deniability for inaction or complicity.

ie people can say 'it's contested' or 'on the one hand' etc.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by yoavm »

x3ro wrote: post #385
yoavm wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but I can you elaborate? What exactly isn't hanging together? I'm assuming you don't mean that in other contexts is is okay to target an innocent person, but I'm not sure what you do mean. Being targeted is indeed not the same as being guilty. One is being used in the context of war, and the other is used in the Justice system.

My god how many „Israeli snipers are shooting children in the head“ statements from non-profits and doctors do we need before people finally stop peddling this „only evil hamas members are targeted“.. Just look at satellite pictures of Gaza man. Every palestinian is a target, which is why we are calling it genocide.

I do not disagree with any of the things you said, hence I'm not sure what you're rambling about.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by locknitpicker »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

> At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is through some form of authority (or something else that is very difficult for AI to fake, but that protection can be broken by advancing technology).

Whining about AI is a red herring. If anything, LLMs lowered the cost of producing this type of propaganda.

What's novel about this approach is that the emphasis on building up a facade of authority and credibility is not a central part of the propaganda effort. They can get away with outputting the content in a way thats ingested by other LLMs among the reputable sources, and then they lean upon people's gullibility towards LLM output as some sort of credibility laundering.

There is a reason why one of Wikipedia's central policy is requiring reputable primary sources to support content.

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Post by crnkofe »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

I'm kind of hopeful AI some wikipedia-inspired AI "oracle" will happen in the future. Why not use some central AI to separate fact from fiction (faster than trolls and griefers can come to muddy the debate).

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Post by danmaz74 »

karim79 wrote: post #44

Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.

And he is a minister in Israel's government, not some rando. Israeli governments and actions in the last many years are simply indefensible.

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Post by Paradigma11 »

smalllangmodel wrote: post #275
Paradigma11 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me the main difference is if the activity is clandestine and meant to deceive/hide the origin. Everybody tries to influence things their way. Doing it covertly is a hostile act. That does not mean that I would not condone hostile acts against my/our enemies but it is something take into account. And regarding your Russian examples, it showed for how long they have seen the west as enemies and conducted hostile ac…

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Not a lot since WW2.
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