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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by sarreph »

gtowey wrote: post #269
ryandrake wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the real problem. Being aggressively annoying works . Dark patterns work. Popups that grab your attention work. Flashing text conveying urgency works. Thumbnails with open-mouth YouTube-face work. Moving buttons around so people mis-click works. Tiny [X] buttons that make people accidentally click an ad work. You're never going to convince someone to stop doing something that is making them money.

Yes, but on whom does it work? Does it work because you're taking advantage of a group of people who are extremely vulnerable to manipulation? People who already struggle with impulse control, who are prone to making bad financial decisions? The elderly, kids? We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness". Some of us, just some think t…

> people who are extremely vulnerable to manipulation

I think this is a gross over-exaggeration, otherwise dark patterns wouldn't work at the magnitude (majority of the buying population) they do.

I say this not disagreeing with your point:

> We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness".

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by cpill »

jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

don't forget subscribe to alerts. my favourite, coz I want some random website to push notify me everyone it does anything

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by wseqyrku »

I can ignore all this except for the cookie banner, it is a technical issue and the likes of google in the industry are responsible to solve rather than letting marketing or product get "creative" with it. This is pretty stupid and we all should be embarrassed by the fucking mess that we created for everyone.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by Shuang1 »

Insimwytim wrote: post #356
nonethewiser wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banners exist to eliminate EU regulatory risk. You can try to convince people they aren’t required but its not going to remove any banners.

This is misinformed. As many have said before: it's basically malicious compliance. They're supposed to be super annoying ... Instead of complying, they choose this obnoxious practice so they could continue ... monitoring every action a visitor does. You don't need a cookie banner to be allowed to create Cookies. You only need them if you're using them for something like tracking. [1] Regulators didn't enforce cookie…

If properly following a law is malicious, then it's a bad law.

There's a reason you don't hear about people "maliciously complying" with HIPAA or PCI laws. Because that's just called compliance.

No excuses for poorly done EU regulations.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by andrewflnr »

apple4ever wrote: post #390
idopmstuff wrote: post #152

I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

Yes but a small popup I. The corner is different than a dickover. I don't think what you did is bad at all.

If it's not a lie, then yeah, that's pretty mild.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by Arainach »

Shuang1 wrote: post #395
Insimwytim wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is misinformed. As many have said before: it's basically malicious compliance. They're supposed to be super annoying ... Instead of complying, they choose this obnoxious practice so they could continue ... monitoring every action a visitor does. You don't need a cookie banner to be allowed to create Cookies. You only need them if you're using them for something like tracking. [1] Regulators didn't enforce cookie…

If properly following a law is malicious, then it's a bad law. There's a reason you don't hear about people "maliciously complying" with HIPAA or PCI laws. Because that's just called compliance. No excuses for poorly done EU regulations.

You can comply with the law without banners and dark pattern defaults. These businesses are maliciously complying by making things more obnoxious and painful than they need to be.

A comparison would be a store who was angry the law says you have to be 21 to buy alcohol and starts requesting everyone, even people not buying alcohol, to show ID or be kicked out. That's not a bad law, that's a bad business maliciously complying.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by dijit »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #380
Insimwytim wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is misinformed. As many have said before: it's basically malicious compliance. They're supposed to be super annoying ... Instead of complying, they choose this obnoxious practice so they could continue ... monitoring every action a visitor does. You don't need a cookie banner to be allowed to create Cookies. You only need them if you're using them for something like tracking. [1] Regulators didn't enforce cookie…

Why does static site of Europe's parliament need big cookie banner? Or is that the parliament which created this law doesn't know what you know or they are doing "malicious compliance". [1]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/en

Because they want to track people and they need consent for that.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by CM30 »

Let's not forget the generic images using either corporate memphis or AI. Or the lazy loading that makes it impossible to reach the footer. Or in some cases, numerous videos and animations that have no purpose other than looking flashy, along with a big slideshow/carousel at the top.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by ColdStream »

jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

I was about to say, by today's standards this site is actually fairly usable. That is depressing.
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