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France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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You can't charge nobody's card because in order to do so you'd first need to sign a verbal contract.

Again, please explain the details of what you're thinking. If I get a card number, type it into my POS system, collect money, and send you a product, who's going to stop me?

You can't ask for this data over phone, you can't pay over phone.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…

Personally I think the trust model for phone calls has worn itself out. The network is too large, and the risk too great, for "guess this 10 digit number and you can call me any hour of the night" to be at all sustainable. In practice, if you aren't already in my contact list, my phone does not ring. (Otherwise it would be ringing all day long.) Telemarketers do seem to have realized that calling at night is unwise, for now. Relatives meanwhile...

I feel like if we were designing telephones as a brand new concept today, some sort of two-way handshake would be standard, right? Like a Friend Request on nearly any other network, before DMs can be sent. Phones were invented before we thought we had a practical need for such a flow, and the human-operated switching networks helped to somewhat discourage blatant abuse.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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This is a great move by France, but most of the rest of the world does not suffer from the telemarketing scam hell that Americans do. I am a US citizen living overseas. I have a US cell number that is only used for 2FA for US financial institutions. No one else has that number. I get more scam calls every day on that number than I do in a year on my local number. It's crazy. Most of the world has solved the worst of…

I live in the U.S., have a U.S. phone number, and get maybe one spam call every six months. (Spam texts about once a month, with the exception of before elections, when it’s more.) I wonder what causes the difference. Do I have a newer phone number that isn’t on as many lists? Or is my carrier filtering calls before they get to my phone? I briefly activated a second SIM on an MVNO that gave me a new number, and that…

I think its just luck of the draw. I find that the scam calls come in waves. I'll get several of the same scams, latest being spoofed calls from Google, every day for a week or two and then they'll stop completely for months. I haven't had any in a while now. Currently getting a ton of scam SMS.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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Lista Robinson works great in Spain though, enroll there and enjoy the silence :) May take a month or two to really kick in, and if you've already enrolled but it's not working, check that the details are 100% correct. Worked both for me, my wife and tons of friends, although it takes time before it works.

I am on that list and have been for years but it doesn't help me at all. I did stop getting spam calls but not scams. Scammers are criminals anyway so they don't give a shit about that list. I especially get a LOT of energy scams. They pretend to be from Endesa and they have my details somehow (some company must have provided it to them or it was leaked by a criminal employee). They're usually calling from numbers in…

That's so strange, both me, my wife and friends and family had similar issues years ago, before I put everyone into Lista Robinson, and it worked for all of us, easily 10+ people throughout the years.

I wonder why it's so different between people. Does it depend on the region perhaps? We're all in Catalunya for what it's worth.

Maybe double-check the details, I remember for one person it didn't work at first, and the entered name had a typo, maybe it's really strict? Also try just say "Estoy en Lista Robinson" next time someone calls, makes them hang up quickly and blacklist your number at least within that company.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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A perspective as I live in France: - There was already an easy statewide system to opt-out of telemarketing calls - Having always been on that system, I still got many scam calls that sound like telemarketing So it's great to have a ban rather than an opt-out, but this will not solve the issue of scam calls

Bloctel ineffectiveness (the previous opt-out system) was cited as one of the reasons for moving to a ban.

I was on this system too and used to get scam calls too (they would come in waves, like 3-4 calls in a week, nothing for a month, then another 3-4 calls). I stopped receiving calls from reputable companies (that probably abode by Bloctel's list) when I signed up though.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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This is a great move by France, but most of the rest of the world does not suffer from the telemarketing scam hell that Americans do. I am a US citizen living overseas. I have a US cell number that is only used for 2FA for US financial institutions. No one else has that number. I get more scam calls every day on that number than I do in a year on my local number. It's crazy. Most of the world has solved the worst of…

The US has failed its people so badly here. I heard a family member's spam call that used Trump's voice to personally ask for a donation. It made me wonder how many people might fall for that, especially people in cognitive decline. And the call was spoofed from their area code which is a dirty way to get people to answer. It simply shouldn't be possible to spoof a call. Or spoof an IP packet origin.

The US hasn't failed anything, you're acting like politicians neglected to acted when they're doing exactly what telecom companies want: ensure they have no accountability.

Please don't forget neoliberalism is the actual economic policy of the US for the last 50ish years; with deregulation being a core tenant of neoliberalism.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…

But how do you enforce this? It seems like most of the US spam calls originate from India. Do you have to get cooperation from Indian authorities? Seems unlikely since it's helping their economy? Do you put the burden on the phone company? I guess the phone companies make money from the calls, so they don't care?

> Seems unlikely since it's helping their economy

All it helps is filling in the scammers' pockets without being taxed for it. Also, they do cooperate with Indian authorities:

* https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/cbi-busts-gurugram-ca...

* https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/fbi-tip-lea...

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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It sounds like they could just block calls from Morocco and cut off much of the problem.

"Just block calls between France and Marocco" is a very racist proposal FYI there is at least 900k+ people in France either immigrant from Marocco or with an origin and a 100k+ people with french nationality or origin living in Marocco

Those people mostly use Whatsapp or similar at this point. Much cheaper and better quality.

Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls

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Canadian. Close enough And yes, some countries still seem to have effective protests. I just don't have a lot of confidence in the power of protest to overcome the power of lobbyists

Lobbyists can’t control you if you and 3%-20% of the country are in the road instead of doing the transactions or paperwork the ownership class wants you to be doing. Be like the Koreans.

Google AI overview for Korea population breakdown: South Korea is one of the most ethnically homogeneous countries globally, with ethnically Korean people making up roughly 95% to 99%

Google AI overview for Canada population breakdown: Canada is not homogeneous; it is one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse countries in the world. Nearly one-quarter of people living in Canada were born outside the country.

Diversity is in fact not our strength. It keeps us fighting amongst ourselves while the lobbyists push government to do whatever they want

Not a very popular opinion, and probably going to earn me some ire, but oh well

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