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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by isr »

senderista wrote: post #276
probably_wrong wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some searching led me to this report from an NGO called "AirWars" [1] which, in connection with The Guardian, reports that "at least 22,679, and potentially as many as 48,308 civilians, have been likely killed by US strikes". You can't bomb an apartment without also hitting the neighbors. And while we know the US has the the technology to hit a car driver without (physically) hurting the passenger, we also know that…

Israel will happily flatten a whole apartment complex to get one guy.

The real truth is that Israel is happy to flatten entire, crowded, apartment complexes. That "one guy" is just an excuse.

Most recent example (out of at least 100,000 examples in just these last 3 years alone) would be their "defence" (hah!) minister delightedly boasting how they have Gaza'fied South Lebanon and destroyed over 15,000 structures.

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Post by kstrauser »

drekipus wrote: post #377
kstrauser wrote: post #349

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LOL, I’d love to see that peer reviewed paper. Which one are you citing?

Nothing ever happens unless there's a paper to back it up

More like: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That wild claim needs some backing, lest we all be justified in making fun of it.

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Post by golemiprague »

Sabinus wrote: post #373
tibbydudeza wrote: post #103

I have always wondered how the Ukrainian FPV drone operators cope - some of footage is pretty gruesome - esp when the drone chases some hapless Russian running away before zeroing in and then blowing him up. Some even shows double tap mortar rounds being dropped on Russians and then gravely wounded they drop another one to finish them off.

A firm belief that one is doing the right thing is incredibly protective of mental health in war. Ukrainian drone pilots have few doubts about what future they're working towards and what one they're preventing when they kill Russian soldiers. US soldiers coming home from Iraq 2 (or Vietnam) don't have anywhere near that ideological buffer.

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Post by someothherguyy »

probably_wrong wrote: post #271
brandonagr2 wrote: post #242

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Which part of "attack enemies" implies they were targeting innocent people?

Some searching led me to this report from an NGO called "AirWars" [1] which, in connection with The Guardian, reports that "at least 22,679, and potentially as many as 48,308 civilians, have been likely killed by US strikes". You can't bomb an apartment without also hitting the neighbors. And while we know the US has the the technology to hit a car driver without (physically) hurting the passenger, we also know that…

seems small when compared to the overall effects of war

"An estimated 3.6-3.8 million people died indirectly in post-9/11 war zones, bringing the total death toll to at least 4.5-4.7 million and counting."

https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/costs/human

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Post by fhdkweig »

strictnein wrote: post #104

It's sad how many people are commenting on this with insane conspiracy theories and that people are actually responding in support of them. Really shows how falling into echo chambers online and buying into conspiracy theories can cause significant harm to ones ability to think rationally.

Conspiracy theories thrive in environments of silence. If no one can talk about their time in government organizations (military, CIA, etc.), speculation is all we have left.

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Post by thunky »

Sabinus wrote: post #390
sitzkrieg wrote: post #344

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obama also drone striked killed us citizens with no due process in the name of the game

Why would they need due process? They weren't the targets and their deaths were accidental collateral damage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

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Post by aaron695 »

YesThatTom2 wrote: post #11

I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

matt123456789 wrote: post #371
bluefirebrand wrote: post #202

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Well, I'm only 38 so alzheimers is unlikely. It does run in the family though But no, my real worry is I'm going to wind up having to interview and talk about stuff I've done and I can't seem to remember any of it. That's a real problem and probably not good

Do you work on, like, 100 different projects and have slightly different roles in each one (i.e. PM at a startup)? Or do all the projects look roughly uniform from your perspective (eg. IC at MAAANGOS)? Do you take work home?

Eh. More along the lines of a senior IC. Lots of meetings and discussions, not as much actual building as I'd like. Projects are I guess roughly uniform, but even so, I'd expect myself to remember what they were

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Post by pclmulqdq »

Sabinus wrote: post #390
sitzkrieg wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

obama also drone striked killed us citizens with no due process in the name of the game

Why would they need due process? They weren't the targets and their deaths were accidental collateral damage.

At least one of those American citizens was the intended target of a drone strike.

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Post by Loquebantur »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #361
Loquebantur wrote: post #347

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"Partially agreeing" while baselessly denying the central point is what exactly in your book? You fall for rhetoric tricks at your own expense here. This matter has a host of important consequences and implications. Treating it at the same level of effort as every other infotainment piece is a failure of judgement.

>"Partially agreeing" while baselessly denying the central point is what exactly in your book? It means partially agreeing, and quite respectfully, I might add. You, however, were only *dis*respectful, downright rude in fact. >Treating it at the same level of effort as every other infotainment piece is a failure of judgement. I'm not treating anything as the same as any level of effort. All I'm saying is if you act l…

No, it doesn't: it means to mislead people like you into getting the appearance of agreeableness while actually still baselessly denying the salient point.

Denying without giving any rational reason is again a rhetoric trick to gaslight people not trained in applying formal logic into believing something in spite of contradicting evidence.

How do you act here? You attack me personally while adding nothing to the actual topic at hand.

You're right about people who appear more likeable getting more attention. Does that make their standpoint actually more valid or valuable?

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