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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #389
ajam1507 wrote: post #235

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Seems like the appropriate place for a non-violent offender.

I certainly don't want him sent somewhere violent, but the life in prison for financial crimes is generally less harsh, when comparing experiences not reasons for imposition, than life in prison for other things. Also, just off the top of my head I would expect many people getting life in prison for other things are younger than people getting life in prison for financial crimes, since financial crime tends to happen…

Obviously I don't mind anyone proving me wrong by going and doing the actual statistics work that I can't be bothered to do. I just have suppositions that I have not bothered to confirm as they do not significantly impact my life whether correct or incorrect.

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Post by sam345 »

Danox wrote: post #115

The antifreeze toothpaste people didn’t get away with it, nor did the 3000 pigs in the river people, and nor did that one group of executives who were in charge of a fertilizer/chemical plant that was one of the largest industrial catastrophes in the world let alone China. If you get caught in China, Vietnam, or Singapore the penalties for white collar criminals is zero tolerance. You can’t buy your way out if you do…

Only if the CCP doesn't like you or decides that it doesn't like you because you are more valuable as an enemy. Otherwise it's no big deal because politics in a communist country does not get done without bribes in one form or another. Honest players are not to be found in a communist country. Government is like open source. The more open you are, the less likely there is going to be shenanigans.

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Post by rcbdev »

mempko wrote: post #242
RajT88 wrote: post #239

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The smart ones quit while they are ahead and procure citizenship somewhere else (like Canada).

I'm pretty sure the smartest ones just don't do crime.

I think this is just materially incorrect.

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Post by palmotea »

vkou wrote: post #158
palmotea wrote: post #65

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> But, are these sort of things just examples of selective prosecution? Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing, if they were to be caught doing the same? > thus celebration that at least something got done Is it really something to celebrate if: 1. Someone got sentenced to death because they lost some internal power struggle, and bribery was falsely use…

#1 is a net-better outcome for everyone else than doing nothing.

> #1 is a net-better outcome for everyone else than doing nothing.

You kill some corrupt guy, just to replace him with another corrupt guy who's in the leader's good-graces. How is that "a net-better outcome for everyone else"?

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Post by rcbdev »

asdfman123 wrote: post #232
mrandish wrote: post #219

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> Would the inner circle members of CCP leadership realistically face the same prosecution and sentencing Almost certainly. But it's not simple to understand because four things are simultaneously true: 1. Corruption is a serious problem Xi is genuinely focused on reducing through high-profile prosecutions with extreme sentences. 2. Xi and his party lieutenants have certainly used corruption charges to eliminate cent…

It's like unlimited PTO. Take a reasonable amount of PTO and you're fine, but if you actually treat it as unlimited then you'll get fired.

I never understood why you can't just take any random European country where ones company also has a presence and stick to the (government mandated) vacation time there, usually 5-6 weeks p.a. - is this considered unacceptable in the U.S.A.?

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Post by rcbdev »

jibal wrote: post #317
hbd-investor wrote: post #230

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trump and biden both pardoned tons of white collar criminals

The first is true, the second is a lie. The motto of Trump's pardon office is "No MAGA left behind."

This is a lie. Joseph Biden pardoned Francis W. Biden, James B. Biden, Sara Jones Biden, John T. Owens and Valerie Biden Owens among many, many other dubious choices.

The U.S.A. is the embodiment of crony capitalism.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-jos...

Re: China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by jibal »

jibal wrote: post #317
hbd-investor wrote: post #230

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trump and biden both pardoned tons of white collar criminals

The first is true, the second is a lie. The motto of Trump's pardon office is "No MAGA left behind."

I'm not the liar here -- none of those family pardons are for "white collar crimes", they were to protect them from retribution by Trump.

Again, Trump pardons people for a fee, and the motto of his pardons office is "no MAGA left behind". The fraud that he has pardoned amounts to about $2 billion to date.

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Post by defrost »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #381
defrost wrote: post #378

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In context, and I'm not just thinking of Uyghur culture in China here, the presence of {X}-like restaurants can mean a lot of things. Majority culture "celebrating" / "allowing" minority culture restaurants, clubs, bars, etc happens in many different ways with many differing meanings, complicated layers even. Black Harlem in New York went through stages of being an outpost of US black culture(s) (from US North and So…

Ok, can I step back a bit and call out some big picture differences? The legacy of slavery in America is a key component of the microwave background radiation there, the story seeps into default assumptions of everything. China just.. doesn't have that. They had slavery amongst themselves in the olden days like everyone else but no master race chattel slavery period. There's definitely racism on the black/white scale…

Opinions seem varied, that's for sure.

Wikipedia describes the camps more as rebranded than "over now" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

and those annoying Australians are claiming the CCP are using "powerful resources in Beijing’s ongoing efforts to reshape the global narrative on Xinjiang, influence political elites abroad" - https://www.aspi.org.au/report/cultivating-friendly-forces/ (July 2026)

/r/AskHistorians adopts a practice of waiting 20 years before attempting to write a reasonable balanced history on current events .. so give things another 16 years and we'll see, I guess.

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Post by bit-anarchist »

anepoitilivam wrote: post #382
bit-anarchist wrote: post #299

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Another piece of interesting trivia: PRC can legally confiscate and search your devices without warrant nor case.

Oh really? Your american KGB knows nearly everything about me, as well as about any other person with internet access (and also those without), without any "warrants", "judges", etc Never even imagined in Soviet Union. You are the ultimate horror.

"my"? I'm not even american.

"american KGB"? pray tell, who would that be? FBI? NSA? ICE? Even with their tooling, they are still struggling to legally acquire information, and even more so to act on it. There's even considerations of abolishing these agencies.

Try suggesting the abolition of the MSS as a mainland Chinese national and see what happens.

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