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I agree, however the claim is not war crimes, its genocide. People think that using genocide to simply mean lots of killing and destruction and war makes them morally superior, but genocide entails "intent" and we need a vocabulary to differentiate between the two.
I am sorry but did you look at pictures of Gaza? Do you not see them actually CONCENTRATING the previously 2 million people there into a gigantic CAMP?
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> Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. More like Hamas/UNRWA schools teach children to be terrorists.
Why is it that most of the world despises the Israelis, despite them not having gone to Hamas/UNRWA schools?
Successful anti-israel propaganda based on kgb-demoralization (west bad, "white privilige" etc.) https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/ sponsored by Iran’s oil money.
Mobbing against Israel by Arab and their socialist friend states in the UN.
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Saying "I accept X using any tactic against Y that Y used against X" is meaningless in an ongoing tit-for-tat conflict unless you pick an arbitrary historical starting point. You may naturally lean towards picking an anti-israel starting point, but that isn't the only option. Strikes against hamas leadership have war value, and I personally find proportional collateral damage justifiable. Netanyahu is roughly (not le…
How does historical starting point matter? If Y started using traditionally inadmissible tactics then it is pure foolishness for X to constrain himself. Clearly Israel saw some benefit in killing the innocent family members of this non-military personnel. And then to lob a missile at him in a civilian building in an unrelated country that is in no conflict with Israel, killing further innocents. Ben Gvir is an equiva…
I'm saying I could give you an example of unconstrained attacks against israel prior to this incident - so is X sinking to the level of Y, or vice-versa? The answer is, I believe, neither - the mental model simply isn't functional. And certainly we should still both advocate against tactics that are unjustified at baseline, no? Does that make sense?
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> you cannot become part of the ethno-religious group that the state is meant to represent. Not you and not any of your descendants, ever. AFAIU Israel does accept conversions to Judaism so that's not actually accurate. > This is a classic of Israeli propaganda: justifying an actual wrong (discrimination, apartheid, occupation, murder, you name it) with the allegation that a worse wrong would be committed by the othe…
Palestinians in Israel are not permitted to convert to Judaism, so no there is no path to assimilate and join the majority. https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/palestinian-requ...
> Palestinians in Israel are not permitted to convert to Judaism, so no there is no path to assimilate and join the majority.
This whole area of Israeli law AFAIU is rather confusing, keep in mind even many Jews are not recognized fully either due to Orthodox standards sometimes being applied, although there have been some more recent changes there I think.[0]
In practice though Palestinian/Arab Israelis probably can convert to Judaism in some form and since they would already be citizens the conversion from my understanding would not make much difference in practice for the legal status. Note that there are different congregations that have different conversion rules and there are also differences in how the Israeli government recognizes conversions for purposes of citizenship.
Palestinians living in the territories that are not Israeli citizens would have much more difficulty converting simply because it would be effectively impossible to covert within say the PA controlled parts of the Palestinian territories(since Jews are generally not allowed into those territories and I don't think conversions are typically allowed to be done remotely).
Between Israeli citizens AFAIU the only form of legal discrimination is arguably applied against non-Arab Israeli citizens(i.e. Jews, Druze) since they have required military service while Arab Israeli's do not. Arab Israeli's can of course still volunteer for military service so being classified legally as an Arab Israeli doesn't really have legal downsides from my understanding.
[0] https://jweekly.com/2021/03/01/israeli-supreme-court-rules-s...
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The issue isn't the historical Jews living there (now Palestinian) the issues are the European Jews moving there claiming that they have some sort of connection to the land over say Poland.
Those european jews descend from judea (levant) - genetic tests confirm this. It's a rare instance of a displaced population returning home after centuries.
I have some few percent of French dna. Does this permit me to conquer France and displace the Frenchmen, whether whites of gaulish descent or african legal immigrants or anyone else? Unless I have a legal land purchase deed to some patch of land in France and a visa or other permit to live there, I have no rights to it. The jews living in israel are free to produce valid land deeds and an unbroken valid series of inheritance documents from any of the previous governments of the region if they can.
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How does historical starting point matter? If Y started using traditionally inadmissible tactics then it is pure foolishness for X to constrain himself. Clearly Israel saw some benefit in killing the innocent family members of this non-military personnel. And then to lob a missile at him in a civilian building in an unrelated country that is in no conflict with Israel, killing further innocents. Ben Gvir is an equiva…
I'm saying I could give you an example of unconstrained attacks against israel prior to this incident - so is X sinking to the level of Y, or vice-versa? The answer is, I believe, neither - the mental model simply isn't functional. And certainly we should still both advocate against tactics that are unjustified at baseline, no? Does that make sense?
We can naturally trace the history of back and forth violence, until we reach the point where we see the political entity had been founded by ingrates committing terroristic violence against the country that generously gifted them some of its colonial land.
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I'm saying I could give you an example of unconstrained attacks against israel prior to this incident - so is X sinking to the level of Y, or vice-versa? The answer is, I believe, neither - the mental model simply isn't functional. And certainly we should still both advocate against tactics that are unjustified at baseline, no? Does that make sense?
We can naturally trace the history of back and forth violence, until we reach the point where we see the political entity had been founded by ingrates committing terroristic violence against the country that generously gifted them some of its colonial land.
You can trace it back much earlier than that - until at least the 1500s, when the conflict was present but at much less of a boil. I'm assuming you concede that "if X does it to Y, it's fine for Y to do it to X" is not a functional model here. You should at least ask yourself, "how would I need to change my outlook if I learned it was impossible to resolve who started it?"
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We can naturally trace the history of back and forth violence, until we reach the point where we see the political entity had been founded by ingrates committing terroristic violence against the country that generously gifted them some of its colonial land.
You can trace it back much earlier than that - until at least the 1500s, when the conflict was present but at much less of a boil. I'm assuming you concede that "if X does it to Y, it's fine for Y to do it to X" is not a functional model here. You should at least ask yourself, "how would I need to change my outlook if I learned it was impossible to resolve who started it?"
Of course, we can go all the way back to the first cavemen fighting each other. But the difference here is that there is a very clear dividing line. The locals may nor may not have liked the Ottomans or British very much but they were clearly living their lives. Until some European invaders came and illegally took over their land by force. If the peoples before this event seem mostly satisfied, and after this event inflamed, then we have the key marking point for all the nonsense.
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The issue isn't the historical Jews living there (now Palestinian) the issues are the European Jews moving there claiming that they have some sort of connection to the land over say Poland.
Those european jews descend from judea (levant) - genetic tests confirm this. It's a rare instance of a displaced population returning home after centuries.
And what's the percentage of levant dna in them btw? If someone is 90% Polish, 10% Arab, why does it make sense to emphasize the 10% part over the 90% part?
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#400> Between October 7, 2023 and October 7, 2025, at least 20,179 children were killed, around 30% of the overall death toll. > A rebuttal shared by Israel's mission in Geneva said Israel "consistently strives to minimize harm to children even in situations of conflict". Well, it is certainly no question that Israel is killing children en masse. Israeli officials are saying “but we are trying to minimize”. Well, these a…
Thank you for stating the case better than I ever could.
Thank you for swallowing lies so smoothly and better then I ever could or even imagined.