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Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Just this morning I was helplessly looking at r/ecosia for a way to get rid of the new AI tab they've added (there's no way). Signed up for Uruky, let's see how it fares.

Thanks! Reach out for any suggestions, questions, or comments!

Does it index new reddit content? I refuse to use Google, DDG doesn't seem to surface much new reddit content.

Currently settled on Kagi but the price is a little steep, happy to support EU based services.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I switched to Kagi little over a year ago and couldn’t recommend it enough. The search results are actually what I’m searching for, there is AI for the occasions I want it (and only then), and it comes with nice extras like search personalization and a great translation app. Tried to live without it when my first year of subscription ran out, but I didn’t last long…

My annual Kagi subscription lapsed last week, so I decided to see how DuckDuckGo is doing these days.

The feature I missed most from Kagi was domain filtering, so I had Claude write a quick userscript for DDG that lets me boost, pin, and block specific domains. uBlock Origin aside, DDG even lets you turn off ads natively.

Kagi is good, but the redirection felt a bit flaky lately, and I was dealing with an annoying bug where my localization kept defaulting to Groningen for no apparent reason.

I’ll stick with this DIY setup for a bit, though I might well end up back on Kagi once I realize how good I had it.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I used Kagi for a bit but began to question what I was paying for, there are plenty of other search providers basically doing the same thing, DDG, Ecosia, Brave search etc. I mostly just use DDG now because search as a paid offering that scrapes results from other indexes doesn’t seem like good value

I'm in this boat, currently subscribed and with the news of them potentially stripping out the AI offering from the $10 subscription tier, I might give DDG another shot.

It just doesn't seem to surface much reddit content. I know I know reddit, but on niche topics they often have some good discussions/links/experts.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I appear to be one of the rare few that doesn’t have any trouble - or even see much difference - in the ‘new’ google (non-) search. Maybe this is a frog in boiling water situation but… it’s just the same search as it’s always been, there’s just now a chunk of Gemini up top, that you take with a grain of salt, same way you’d take the promoted results. If you don’t like it, Adblock it. When I ask myself honestly, has g…

What's your method of blocking promoted results, recommended products, etc?

Digging through the crap in a Google search is like finding a recipe in a blog. Sure, it's there, but the experience isn't great. I'd rather pay for a better experience, like buying a cookbook or subscribing to nytc. If you can afford it, why wouldn't you?

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Censorship? This isn't about free speech, there's a war on.

There's not just one war on, there are many. Should Kagi exclude all the results from American companies because of the actions of the US government in Iran?

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Yandex isn't just a "Russian language search engine", it's a Russian company with quite close ties to the Kremlin. See: https://www.zois-berlin.de/en/publications/zois-spotlight/th... I'm frankly a bit surprised that it's even legal for a US company like Kagi to do business with Yandex, considering it's sanctioned: https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/Details.aspx?id=18711 . Though in fairness, I don't know enough…

Yes, Yandex was effectively seized by Ru govt "friends" and turned into propaganda tool. And that's very unfortunate. But I'm not talking about getting the propaganda, only about search index. About money - don't think this income is even remotely comparable with oil/gas incomes, which EU passes to RU. Please don't start political debate. I do not like censorship of any kind, hence my initial response. I want to have…

Please don't pretend I'm turning this into a "political debate". Your position is, "Kagi ought to keep doing business with Russia". That in itself is highly political. No side of this issue is apolitical.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Ohi, I'm the author of the open source Searx metasearch engine. I'm working on a self-hosted search service called Hister with the same goal when I started Searx development: reduce dependence on online search engines. Hister is a full text indexer for websites and local files which automatically saves all the visited pages rendered by your browser. It provides a flexible web (and terminal) search interface & query l…

Have been using hister for a while now and have found it super useful! There are so many times I find myself trying to remember a website I looked at a couple months ago and can't find it again via a regular search. Hister has saved me there already multiple times. The only feedback I have is the initial indexing from my large history was rough. There were a lot of domains that kept blocking me for exceeding rate lim…

Thank you for your feedback, it's super useful to get insights from users.

I agree, browser import has rough edges. The issue you mentioned is known: https://github.com/asciimoo/hister/issues/31 . I try to prioritize it and find time to fix it.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Kagi. Just use Kagi. It is by far far far the best. Best money I spend, aside from Fastmail. https://kagi.com/

As someone who also loves Kagi, what do you like so much about Fastmail? Seeing it compared to Kagi makes me want to give it a try as well haha.

Fastmail is like Gmail used to be: fast, good search, functional spam filter. I have my own domain so switching took a couple of minutes and over the next week I realized that I never once regretted it – I saw less spam and I was surprised by how much stuff like infrequent newsletters I’d missed because Gmail was filtering it incorrectly while letting through tons of marketing junk.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I paid for Kagi for a bit, but got a weird vibe when I realized they were working pretty hard to paper over the fact that they pay a third party to scrape Google search results for them. The public-facing side of that coin is Kagi's position that Google should make their index available to competitors (see https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search ). All that's to say: when I paid for Kagi, I thought I was investing…

> didn't realize Kagi had no aspirations to build their own general purpose index Kagi employee here. We're actively working on building our own indexes beyond the limited ones we have now, not just a general index but also purpose built indexes for things like programming, etc.

How do you build a search index in the days of Anubis pages everywhere?
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