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Magnifica Humanitas
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#392The overarching message is that builders should deeply consider the impact of what they're building on civilization. "Technology is never neutral, because it takes on the characteristics of those who devise, finance, regulate and use it." Therefore builders "bear a particular ethical and spiritual responsibility" because "every design choice reflects a vision of humanity." The questions shouldn't just be 'can we buil…
hard disagree. No matter what gets built, it will be used for bad things if the society is not properly constructed. We need to fix our government and then you can build anything you want. I don't like putting the blame on the builders, building is already difficult as it is. Also you can't built something in isolation, word will get out anyway. That's why this speech is either naive or he just wanted to tick a todo…
> We need to fix our government and then you can build anything you want.
Are we all going to stop building things until the government is fixed and all political problems are resolved? No? Then we must think about how we should build in a world with imperfect government.
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not new for software and hardware industry though, practitioners have just chosen to ignore it. From the Association for Computing Machinery, which encompasses all forms of software development, the very first principle is the public good: " Software engineers shall act consistently with the public interest. In particular, software engineers shall, as appropriate: 1.01. Accept full responsibility for their own work.…
This would be more meaningful if, perhaps, we had to swear an oath to it before being able to practice. And practitioners would be treated more seriously if everyone knew we swore that oath. And the legal utility as accountability and defense would also be useful. Of course people are going to ignore it if there's no force behind it.
It seems to work somewhat with medical doctors and the Hippocratic Oath.
But I would argue it is way easier there. Building software has way more grey areas.
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#394This is a surprisingly nuanced and technically literate take on this topic. Kudos. I wonder if this sort of thing got this dude elected, to navigate the changing times. (duplicating my comment from the other thread as this seems to have more traction)
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I have no qualms about people writing AI assisted stuff, the points being made matter more.
Of course it's annoying if a single sentence is blown up into a page of prose by AI and an AI summarizes it into a different sentence on the other end :)
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#395I find it difficult to see how even the measured words from the pope can actually enact this changed needed to 'disarm' AI. The forces behind the armament/war of AI development are innate to the qualities of our governance systems, capitalism, and human behavior, and AI itself. None of these will go away until something breaks catastrophically, when it will be too late. And even then it will be short repose from anot…
you know.. a lot of changes came from just words. literally our modern society tend to sway the public opinion through just words from news and influencers..
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#396I know lots of people are excited because an ancient institution has something to say about AI.... But what's said is not really novel or even interesting. The letter aims to maintain the status quo of the project of the Church. The world is shifting under the Vatican's feet and the crappy system they once lorded over is done. It's time for change, maybe people don't need to work anymore and maybe people should aim t…
"people should aim to reengineer humanity and eliminate illness, old age, suffering and vulnerability"
sure, that's exactly where AI is headed.
also: just imagine a world where people don't age. just imagine it for a second.
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
> anyone can host and get almost exact same power. This is not true at all. And the claim about mission of the church and mission of the ai being the same is absurd. Or ai being authority. Like, the rest of that comment does not apply to ai at all.
> This is not true at all. In what sense is it not true? > mission of the church and mission of the ai being the same is absurd Did I claim that? I just said any point you wrote against church representing powerful few is applicable to AI.
In the practical day to day sense as in not having money for it. The open models are not that cheap to run.
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#398The overarching message is that builders should deeply consider the impact of what they're building on civilization. "Technology is never neutral, because it takes on the characteristics of those who devise, finance, regulate and use it." Therefore builders "bear a particular ethical and spiritual responsibility" because "every design choice reflects a vision of humanity." The questions shouldn't just be 'can we buil…
This is also the message I got from "the wind rises"! Though from talking with other people that takeaway doesn't seem universal -- which IMO is one of the ways to tell it's a great film :)
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Roman Catholic Church has a lot of things wrong with it, now and in the past, but it’s a human institution older than almost any other, and it’s composed of a lot of very intelligent people. Agree or disagree with them, but a papal encyclical is almost always worth reading and understanding.
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It's an organization that is effective as an opposition party of sorts.
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#400Good luck with that. Capitalism doesn't work that way. AI will make money for some companies, but as always, it will be on our expense, not for our benefit. We will get some convenient features, we will grow dependent, and eventually subscriptions will be squeezed as far as we are able to pay, advertising will take over, we will have less choice and worse service. By then we might not even have computers anymore, or…
What point are you trying to make here, because your post is all over the place and never really goes anywhere. The pope is not claiming utopia is possible. He is reminding the world of its moral duties within this scope. "Capitalism" is not a system that we helpless atoms merely get pushed around in. How good the world is depends on each one of us choosing to do our moral duty toward the common good. There is no "sy…
My point is AI is not going to be built to "benefit humanity" because that's not the incentive in our economy. AI might give us some benefits, but like all tech products currently, it will be designed to benefit corporations and shareholders. It is what it is.