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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by skydhash »

dgellow wrote: post #269
gambiting wrote: post #147

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Yes, because in video games there is always a chance to win so you can optimize your strategy around that chance. If you have a 1% chance to drop a legendary weapon, the question becomes how do I manufacture 100 chances for a weapon drop in the shortest possible time. With agentic coding there is no such guaranteed chance - in a way it's worse than a slot machine that is guaranteed to pay out eventually. You could sp…

You’re right, the arpg analogy isnt great, it’s too simplistic. I was trying to come up with something heavily stochastic where people are coming up with strategies to get the odds in their favor. Maybe closer to speculating on the real estate market? But even that feels too simplistic compared to LLMs. Even the definition of a win isn’t well defined. Actually it’s really its own thing, I don’t think the slot machine…

The analogy to slot machine is that you're spending your own resources in hope of a reward. So you're ultimately bound by your resources and your strategy doesn't count for much in the grand scheme of things.

With employees, there's a lot of punishments in place for people to not want to mess up. Loss of wages and reputation, prison time,... Startup do not fail because they have a bug-ridden product, they fail because of the market.

With AI, all bets are off. They're not aligned with your goals and it's very hard to discern when they go off unless you're an expert. And if you are one, at best it's just a slight boost in typing especially with all the works involved in software development.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by theptip »

whiplash451 wrote: post #341
EdwardDiego wrote: post #245

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I went to 4.7, didn't have a choice, found it unsatisfactory, then Claude quietly added in the option to use 4.6, so I'm back on 4.6, and I'm not the only one in my company. I had far more hallucinations with 4.7 than 4.6. I'll try it again after a few more months for them to get it right, but 4.6 is what changed my mind on LLMs as a tool, and 4.7 felt like a step backwards, so for now I'm sticking with something tha…

Opus 4.7 went through a major degradation a few weeks ago (way more hallucinations and rabbit holes than usual). Anthropic fixed it. Give it another shot.

I still find it lazy and confused vs 4.6. I don’t like adaptive reasoning.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by matheusmoreira »

suzzer99 wrote: post #377
matheusmoreira wrote: post #236

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I just committed the skill to my dotfiles repository. https://github.com/matheusmoreira/.files/tree/master/~/.clau... There are many "critics", one for each quality I want reviewed. Correctness, consistency, maintainability, security, testing... Everything I could think of, and I keep adding more. https://github.com/matheusmoreira/.files/tree/master/~/.clau... The scrutinize skill is the entry point. The Opus I'm tal…

Those critic skills are great. I see a real business opportunity for someone who can bundle everything you describe into a turnkey solution for a programmer like me who doesn't want to take months coming up with their own system and extensive .md files. I'm currently, very painfully, removing a tiny bit of tech debt at a time from a massively complex project that we inherited from a 3rd-party vendor. Some of the tech…

I used Claude Code's /insights function. It gets Claude himself to go over your sessions and usage patterns. It'll produce an HTML report that you can view.

In my case Claude saw that code review was my main activity and that I was manually and repeatedly asking claude to "review X, Y, Z..." so he suggested turning it into a skill. So I fired up the superpowers:brainstorming skill and bikeshedded it until I ended up with this heavy duty massively parallel super reviewing super claude. Refined it a bit after a couple weeks of use and the result is what you see in my repository.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by joquarky »

drob518 wrote: post #380
gchamonlive wrote: post #339

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> I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. And the tragedy is that this isn't sustainable, and we all involved deeply in tech know this. There is eventually going to be a big reality check the companies will have to pay, because you can't force creativity and quality, not even with AI, because actual intelligence lies with us at least for now and for the…

Unfortunately, I think this is correct. Such as it ever has been with technological change. The folks at the bottom bear the brunt of the dislocation and the folks at the top pat themselves on the back for being so forward looking and get huge payouts regardless of the actual results. Further, the folks at the top are always incentivized to go along with the herd of their peers because if it works then they were on t…

> because if it works then they were on the bandwagon, and if it doesn’t work, well then, how could they have known because “Everyone was deceived.”

They call themselves "risk takers" to justify their high pay.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by pimeys »

comboy wrote: post #194
gofreddygo wrote: post #190

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For months, Employees had the option to choose claude code or copilot. Now they dont. Underlying model choice still has no restrictions. Opus 4.6 is by far the most popular. there's still big $$$ bills going anthropic's way.

Curious if anyone around here stayed on 4.6 (having a choice to use 4.7)

I still use 4.6 if I need Opus. It's mostly GPT-5.5 for me. Only if I know it cannot do some thing like push without running the tests (because AGENTS.md said so), I switch to 4.6.

Although GPT's been acting weird since Thursday...

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by jondwillis »

techpression wrote: post #234
meowface wrote: post #223

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Agreed. 4.7 is a smarter but weirder model. It will get confused in unexpected ways, but when it's not confused it will perform better than 4.6. It's not a bad idea to skip it and wait until the next model release, but I personally will stick with 4.7.

That is a load-bearing decision!

That’s a decision-shaped comment.

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Post by thayne »

Insanity wrote: post #335
some-guy wrote: post #331

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I don’t disagree that the expectations are higher, but token output hardly correlates to code output worthy of merging.

Code quality matters to engineers. Find a senior manager who cares. Or worse, find a customer who cares. While they obviously want a high quality product, no outages, a responsive system etc, I don’t think they necessarily understand why you need to avoid creating god-objects, need to reason about abstractions, etc.

As code quality goes down, so does productivity, as it becomes more difficult to add new features and there are more bugs introduced.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by nijave »

comboy wrote: post #194
gofreddygo wrote: post #190

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For months, Employees had the option to choose claude code or copilot. Now they dont. Underlying model choice still has no restrictions. Opus 4.6 is by far the most popular. there's still big $$$ bills going anthropic's way.

Curious if anyone around here stayed on 4.6 (having a choice to use 4.7)

Switched back when 4.7 had an issue last week and it was wayyy faster. I assume mostly because a lot of people have moved off but might consider using it more just for the speed boost.

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Post by apsurd »

lumost wrote: post #354
harimau777 wrote: post #266

The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. Saving money on tokens isn't something that's rewarded during performance reviews; particularly because it's…

This, I happily used the opus 4.6 fast mode to the tune of 5k for a project. The delivery of the project justified the 5k, if I only spent 500 but delivered the project 1 month later - I would have been in the dog house.

Your project cost $5k in tokens? How does that work? over what time? My understanding is that most developers are given pro max plans at $200/m and are expected to max that out.

I've been getting by on the $200/year plan by smoothing usage continuously over time.

The pay per use is for the API so does it mean you're using the API in a custom setup?

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by confidantlake »

joquarky wrote: post #394
drob518 wrote: post #380

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Unfortunately, I think this is correct. Such as it ever has been with technological change. The folks at the bottom bear the brunt of the dislocation and the folks at the top pat themselves on the back for being so forward looking and get huge payouts regardless of the actual results. Further, the folks at the top are always incentivized to go along with the herd of their peers because if it works then they were on t…

> because if it works then they were on the bandwagon, and if it doesn’t work, well then, how could they have known because “Everyone was deceived.” They call themselves "risk takers" to justify their high pay.

They are far too busy for that. They have pr people to say it for them.
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