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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by PunchyHamster »

leviathant wrote: post #284
jaffa2 wrote: post #256

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> relatively cheap subscriptions (on a month-to-month basis at least), where the cheapest plan is like 20EUR/month or something, even if you just work part-time as some social media "take picture of food for restaurants to post on their social media after editing", you can easily afford a Photoshop subscription, Sorry what? This is nonsense. > as long as you have one or two gigs per month which more than covers the s…

I'm paying $16/mo for Photoshop and Lightroom. I have to imagine that the majority of people who post to HN can afford $16/mo. I'm not a professional photographer, but it's an excellent hobby, and just the other week, a neighbor stopped me to tell me how much they love the pictures I post to our neighborhood Facebook group - so that's something I guess!

For photos I just used RawTherapee, it's dedicated tool for photo processing and if you are just correcting, not editing it's probably better one too

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by thisisit »

bradley13 wrote: post #368
thisisit wrote: post #315

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So the future is - Everyone has their own apps built specifically for their own use case and spending tokens just for the satisfaction to have created something themselves? That sounds like a tool for hobbyists. I have no clue about wine connoisseur apps but I have to assume that someone some where has build apps to manage the obvious data and now integrating AI into it so that it can do photo to text and reports and…

I think you are too cynical. His app works. It needs no maintenance, unless the underlying OS changes something fundamental. It doesn't use AWS or any other cloud service. Look, as an IT professional, I build dry stone walls. Could a professional do it better? Probably. So what? I have the satisfaction of having built them myself, exactly how I want. AI had enabled something new, and us only going to get better.

You are basically repeating what you said above. It works. There is satisfaction of building the app yourself. Its your baby and it works - AI enables that and it will get better.

Replace what you said with many hobbyist examples from over the years. Lets say hydroponic farming. "You can grow your own vegetables without needing soil and it works even if you live in the city. Farmers can do better but so what you grow the vegetables yourself. Hydroponic farming has created magic".

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by beej71 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #340
beej71 wrote: post #278

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I think there's some low-hanging money to be made with a nearly-feature-complete PS clone.

Your competition, gimp, is free already.

The last time I was touching the PS world, everyone would laugh you out of the room for saying "GIMP". I had to pay for PS just so I could export art to use it in GIMP.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by beej71 »

fragmede wrote: post #289
beej71 wrote: post #278

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I think there's some low-hanging money to be made with a nearly-feature-complete PS clone.

Where's the market for that though? You're trying to capture the crowd for whom Photoshop via creative cloud is too expensive, so you have to charge less than that, but there's already a couple of open source programs that do some amount of image editing for free, so you'd have to be really near feature complete for your PS clone, which is a lot of tokens that could be used to fork those open source programs and make…

I think if a good PS clone existed, Adobe wouldn't be selling so many subs. And yeah, undercut the hell out of it... How much does it cost in tokens to make the replacement?

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by lionkor »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #390
lionkor wrote: post #387

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... because there are open source tools that implement these things properly? Take Darktable, if you try to build an alternative because you "just want to do a bit of color grading" you will produce garbage. My point is that AI bros are forgetting that the LLM is only as good as the person using it. If you don't sufficiently understand the problem you're solving, your solution will be terrible. If you believe that AI…

> ... because there are open source tools that implement these things properly? Take Darktable, if you try to build an alternative because you "just want to do a bit of color grading" you will produce garbage. ... only if you don't pay attention. The existence and popularity of Darktable literally means that LLMs have a reference implementation on-hand and probably seen some of it in training too. If for some reason…

I agree with you, and my issue is exactly that seemingly the popular opinion here is that you CAN zero-shot things you don't understand.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by gizmo64k »

zero_shift wrote: post #300
darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

For others who are confused. The author is someone in the demoscene who has been accused of "vibe coding" large pieces of work. His counter is that if such things are possible, where is the vibe coded Photoshop? He then goes on a tangent that "vibe coding" is a kind of easy accusation mostly levelled at "neurodiverse" developers Which is why he ends the post: So. Where are the vibecoded Photoshops? WHERE IS THE THREA…

You are right. I was too close to see the gap. You did the work I should have done upfront. I revised the article. Thanks for the feedback.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by jaffa2 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #313
jaffa2 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> relatively cheap subscriptions (on a month-to-month basis at least), where the cheapest plan is like 20EUR/month or something, even if you just work part-time as some social media "take picture of food for restaurants to post on their social media after editing", you can easily afford a Photoshop subscription, Sorry what? This is nonsense. > as long as you have one or two gigs per month which more than covers the s…

> Sorry what? This is nonsense. Would you like to specify exactly what part is nonsense from that quoted part? Because it's what I saw myself first-hand when I owned a restaurant, so would be interesting to here what exactly of that you think is "nonsense"? > So if you use photoshop professionally/commercially then you can afford to pay for it. No, my point is that even if you're basically part-time "starting out"/"f…

I read the para as saying $16 is so cheap, anyone can afford it! That is nonsense. Also subjective. Closer reading reveals the scenario is a restaurant having picture of its food taken. Presumably the restaurant is making money, and so can justify the expense of only $16. (or paying the photographer, who can then pay for the sub.)

Billy the 12 year old who wants to 'play with photoshop' now and again (as many of us did when we were younger back in the day) can't afford $16 a month for that.

> you're basically part-time "starting out"/"fresh", you most likely can afford it,

yes - you are agreeing with me.. 'starting out/fresh' refers to making money? i.e. professional use. A professional is merely someone who makes money. Frequency is irrelevant.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by fragmede »

beej71 wrote: post #395
fragmede wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's the market for that though? You're trying to capture the crowd for whom Photoshop via creative cloud is too expensive, so you have to charge less than that, but there's already a couple of open source programs that do some amount of image editing for free, so you'd have to be really near feature complete for your PS clone, which is a lot of tokens that could be used to fork those open source programs and make…

I think if a good PS clone existed, Adobe wouldn't be selling so many subs. And yeah, undercut the hell out of it... How much does it cost in tokens to make the replacement?

Give Claude the goal of taking Gimp but make it more usable, and change the name.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by fragmede »

quacked wrote: post #376
dTal wrote: post #264

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You're quite wrong. You can, in fact, print perfectly well in any thermoplastic, including PVC (although it's unpopular due to toxic fumes). Nor is strength neccessarily an issue. In fact you can 3D print polycarbonate parts strong enough to scratch-build a drone - props and all. No - the reason you wouldn't want to print parts for your kitchen sink isn't because you can't , it's because you rarely need such parts, a…

How much is a 3D printer that can print durable thermoplastics that I can use for replacement of trivial household items? I thought that would require an industrial setup to do. If you're telling me that I can just start replacing plastic crap in my house, including critical parts like plumbing, with a 3D printer that can sit in its own corner, I probably WILL buy a 3D printer.

A Bambu Lab P1S is $600, and then you gotta buy PET-CF filament, and there's shipping consider as well, so let's say ballpark $800 to start. They make more expensive printers too if you have the budget for it, but the underlying technology is mostly the same. Filament comes in 1kg rolls, and small stuff is like 50 grams, but a large piece of pipe including support structure could be as much as 500g, so if you end up printing a large amount of large items, eg https://makerworld.com/models/1441653 instead of https://makerworld.com/models/77668, which is 2g, and cheaper PLA, filament costs are going to add up.

https://bambulab.com/en-us/filament/collections/functional-p... goes through the various filaments and their different strengths and weakness, depending on the kitchen sink drain pipe you're printing.

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