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MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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Do people really do that when out in the wild?

It's one of the nicest things to do if you love computers, and great for your health compared with staying indoors. > Could one actually work like this, typing and everything? After my “heart-rate discovery” I decided I had to try it. I thought I’d have to build something myself, but actually one can just buy “walking desks”, and so I did. And after minor modifications, I discovered that I could walk and type perfect…

I love computers but I am not addicted to computers.

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Just buy a magnetic usb-c cable if it’s very important to you

The USB-C standard doesn't allow for a magnetic attachment. Besides, those are notoriously unsafe and probably even dangerous to use.

TIL thx

Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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I bought one just to have Mac around (I haven't daily driven MacOS since the PowerPC days) and to help debug MacOS specific dev environment issues my team has. While I lean on VSCode remote SSH pretty heavily so you could argue I'm using it as more of a thin client, I've ended up using the Neo more than any of my other machines. My Windows and Fedora machines have 2-4x the RAM but the Neo is just as responsive when j…

>While I lean on VSCode remote SSH pretty heavily so you could argue I'm using it as more of a thin client I plan on getting one for this use case. I do most dev work on servers via either something like VSCode remote or just through Vim. Tailscale and make it easy to use my Mac Mini from anywhere. I can get the Neo on an educational discount, making it $500 and a pretty easy choice. A while back I went into an Apple…

Yeah I think with how efficient MacOS's memory compression is, the swap works _really_ well. You can have a lot of things open, as long as those things aren't active/too heavy it all works smoothly.

Popping open Activity Monitor, when I have a lot open my swapfile regularly hits 6GB and memory pressure is yellow, but I'd have no idea otherwise.

Not to say the rumoured 12GB in the next Neo wouldn't be better, but for the price you can't go wrong.

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It's not so much "full circle" as we never came up with a better way to render general purpose rich text content than html/css to begin with

It's not really using it for much text, though. It's mostly buttons and controls, which GDI, QuickDraw, and Motif did much better back then and newer toolkits like GTK, Tk, wxWidgets, DWM, Cocoa, etc are great at today.

> It's not really using it for much text, though.

That's exactly the opposite of my perception—for instance, it's been used to render help/support databases on my Mac for at least twenty years.

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Entry-spec M1 Air is the best computer ever made. I can't stand Apple, but it's the truth. I used one sporadically to build my stuff for Mac. Going back to my Windows workstation after that always felt like travelling 15 years back in time. I recommended M1 Air to everyone whose workflow was compatible with a Mac. Most of the people who acted on that recommendation still use it and don't really think about upgrading.

I absolutely loved that m1 air, but one time there was a MacOS update, and it bricked. I discovered that another mac is required to recover my M1. As if I had another working mac laying around somewhere. I would love to go back to mac, but those things really scare me.

If a {Dell, HP, Lenovo} firmware update fails leaving the computer bricked, can you use another {Dell, HP, Lenovo} to restore the firmware?

(Honest question: I'm a longtime Mac user, I use Macs at work and I can tell you the correct DFU port for each model. But my home computer for the last 6 years has been an HP EliteBook with Ubuntu.)

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I absolutely loved that m1 air, but one time there was a MacOS update, and it bricked. I discovered that another mac is required to recover my M1. As if I had another working mac laying around somewhere. I would love to go back to mac, but those things really scare me.

If a {Dell, HP, Lenovo} firmware update fails leaving the computer bricked, can you use another {Dell, HP, Lenovo} to restore the firmware? (Honest question: I'm a longtime Mac user, I use Macs at work and I can tell you the correct DFU port for each model. But my home computer for the last 6 years has been an HP EliteBook with Ubuntu.)

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Re: MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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>"~1.5-2GB of available application memory (after macOS overhead)." Having an OS eat up >75% of your memory on a fresh boot is not ideal. You're gambling on macOS experiencing zero bloat for the lifetime of this product. If the OS memory footprint grows even just a few percent, users of this model will lose a significant portion of available memory for applications. This model might trigger planned obsolescence legis…

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There could be an arguments that you can install a lighter OS on these machines. That's not as easy with MacOS.

Asahi is easier to install on Macs than distros for Windows PCs. You just run a CLI command and follow simple prompts. On Windows PCs, you have to go buy a flash stick, download a tool for flashing it for your BIOS/UEFI (and maybe learn MBR vs GPT), wait while that happens, maybe learn about partitions and repartition your disk ahead of time, mess with your BIOS to change boot order, hope you don't wipe your data by…

It doesn't work on macbook neo.

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HN is completely out of touch with this laptop. No one cares about any of this analysis they just want a cheap Mac. This has sold so much that the A19 processor is having problems to being sourced . Also 8gb is good enough for the target market.

I replaced my 10 years old macbook with a 10 years old macbook. 8 gigs. Good battery. A screen that is not broken. 80 bucks! I really don't see why I should upgrade. Need more compute? Rent a machine on vast.ai. Also I still use my old mac via screen sharing to run servers/databases/etc that tend to eat up RAM. 80 bucks!

Yea Apple has been fighting themselves to upgrade to new Mac’s in so long that they had to start being competitive in price but even this isn’t an upgrade path for people and more a driver of sales in education.
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