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Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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Re: Hardware Attestation as Monopoly Enabler

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Post by pigeons »

lxgr wrote: post #193
userbinator wrote: post #165

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Hell yes. I was going to post the same comment. I don't give a flying fuck how it's implemented. Remote attestation is inherently evil. I remember the WEI apologists trying to do the same thing to derail the argument. The problem is the goal, not the details. Just say no: DO NOT WANT!

Remote attestation is a technology, not a policy or a political effort, so it can't be inherently evil. You can disagree with all its known or proposed uses, but then I think it makes more sense to name these.

I think people are too quick to dismiss the possibility that some technologies are just bad and harmful and we can't shrug off responsibility and say I'm just making a neutral technology and the people using it are the ones causing harm.

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Post by nout »

revolvingthrow wrote: post #83

Is it possible to dual-boot on android? It sounds defeatist but I no longer believe it’s possible to change course - the increasingly authoritarian governments, google and most moneyed interests are all on the same side, so it’s just a matter of when. Being on the palantir-approved google ranch for the few Apps You Need + graphene (or some other alt OS) for everything else would be quite inconvenient, but still bette…

Some retrogaming devices have multi-boot options where you can pick between android and linux (e.g. Anbernic RG353V).

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Post by matthewdgreen »

bronson wrote: post #371
matthewdgreen wrote: post #188

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Google's business is advertising. Right now they don't care whether your phone is "authentic" or secure, because it doesn't cost them money. As AI-enabled bot fraud rises, they will care. Fighting this requires identifying human beings, and that requires trusted devices to be associated with human beings. We're in the foothills still, but look forward and up at where adtech is going.

How is a trusted device associated with a human being? I'm pretty sure the walls of hundreds of bot phones are running trusted Android.

By attaching your government ID to a (single) phone and verifying the human owns it by checking biometrics. You can try this today if you live in one of several US states and have a recent iOS/Android phone. This doesn't stop one real person from attaching their ID to one real phone and then abusing it for botting, but (if implemented well) it limits you to one-real-ID-one-bot-phone.

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Post by deaux »

cyanydeez wrote: post #172
miohtama wrote: post #151

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There is the alternative to not to pursue domestic spyware in the fist place. Especially because this is tied to the attempts to deanonymise Internet users.

It's also an attempt to keep various malefactors such as America, Russia, Israel, China, etc out off the propaganda efforts driving a large amount of far right nationalists into violent uprising.

No, it's not. The biggest foreign actors driving far right nationalism are people like Rupert Murdoch, Andrew Tate and going forwards potentially Jeff Bezos. Murdoch has been the single biggest driver for decades. If they would truly be interested in stopping foreign propaganda they'd go after them instead.

It's especially ironic to name China when the whole reason the US bought TikTok is because it showed people the reality of the genocide in Gaza, which the far right nationalists hated.

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Post by momo26 »

How sad that I spent thousand dollars to buy the phone but can't own it at all. Hardware attestation is like having a CCTV in my device, reporting everything to the company. If I want to use safer OS, then I will be excluded by the digital society cuz most app don't support it...

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Post by pigeons »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #120
andy99 wrote: post #90

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I hope you contacted them to explain why. People usually think I’m a nut when I do it, or are too stupid to understand and think it’s a tech support issue, but it’s worth at least trying to make it clear that you are choosing not to use/do/pay something because of their choice to use recaptcha

+1 to this. I had a long conversation with a local shop that went to only ordering online or through an enslaved ipad on a pedestal at the entrance. I explained to them that I wasn't going to use their app or web page online and the iPad at the door has people trying to figure it out so orders take longer, and the combination means I just won't eat there any more.

I also stop going to these places, and also not out of any deep principle, it just isn't something I want to waste my life doing, I'll go somewhere i can just ask for what i want to order.

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Post by tjbrock »

otterley wrote: post #237
ryandrake wrote: post #202

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Even if public opinion is unified, if they want something to happen, they are just going to ignore the public and do it anyway. Like the recent cases of data enter projects where they just ignore the public voting against them. Democracy’s weakness it it requires people to follow the rules, but if nobody voluntarily follows the rules, then we don’t really have one.

> Like the recent cases of data enter projects where they just ignore the public voting against them Do you have an example? And was this a binding or non-binding vote?

https://www.stlpr.org/government-politics-issues/2026-03-31/...
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