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Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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Re: Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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> under capitalism you’re not working for your tribe, you’re working for a tiny few shareholders The first half of this sentence is false, but the second half is true. I don't know about you, but when I look at my window every day, I see thousands of people working for their job: making delicious food that others can eat, stocking store shelves so others can shop, trimming trees so the city will look nice, driving tr…

The ‘little incentive’ that it you don’t do it you starve to death. There’s tons of work being done because it feels meaningful, later today I’m cooking a meal for a potluck, etc. but if you want your Job to be meaningful that comes at a huge premium.

Good on you for cooking for the potluck! I think that's meaningful.

I don't think having a meaningful job comes at a huge premium, though:

1. I don't think it's true that if you don't work, you'll starve to death. At least, not in the west. You won't have the high quality things compared to your peers, but the state will provide you with housing, food, and resources, so long as you're psychologically capable of using them.

2. But even so, is there any other creature on earth that doesn't have to do some sort of work so it won't starve to death? Even hunter gatherers had to hunt, forage, raise kids, make tools, or otherwise contribute to their tribes, in an endless grind, just to get enough calories to survive.

3. And that doesn't seem… wrong? Many of us enjoy an incredible abundance of options for food, shelter, safety, entertainment, etc., produced by our peers in our tribes and communities. Why shouldn't we have to contribute as well if we want to partake?

4. The idea that "meaning" comes at a premium is the story I want to contradict. It's just that: a story. I know someone who delivers the mail. He loves delivering mail. He feels a ton of meaning. He says, "Yeah there's a lot of junk, but without me, people wouldn't get their wedding invitations. And they wouldn't get their bills paid." Most jobs contribute something, and contribution is meaning. The sad thing to me is we have so many voices telling everyone, "Your job is meaningless!" that people are starting to believe it, and they're ignoring the lives that their work touches.

Re: Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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The tragedy is that people who are most likely to successfully FIRE have spent so long being laser-focused on making money to FIRE, that they neglected their (hobbies, social circle, health - underline as needed), so they find themselves in such a predicament. Personally, I'd love to FIRE. I have at least 5-10 years of personal projects in my head that I would do if I didn't have a 9-5 job. Unfortunately, graduating…

FIRE isn't about job market, you can't control that. Though in tech most people are still making quite large incomes which does help. Rather it is about controlling expenses. The thing you can actually control. My sister's family of 5 lives on less than 50k CAD / year, because they simply must (low income) so if one is making a 100k white collar salary (for example) one can live a lifestyle higher than hers while sti…

It's about controlling expenses after having a large income.

With a small income, everything goes on necessities. FIRE isn't possible.

Re: Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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I don't understand why someone would FIRE and not already have spent years lining up all the things they will do. And the "won't you be so bored?" people. No, I'm not bored. You might be because you need someone else to tell you how to spend your hours. Between learning new hobbies, tackling my backlog of projects in my old hobbies, taking care of my health, and spending quality time with my family, I still have more…

You are talking about retirement, yet I was working with people who couldn't stand the 2-week long annual leave (which is mandatory for every under contract of employment where I live) because they had nothing to do. 30, 40 years old people. It's terrifying.

Is there any way we can make those lunatics work for those weeks, so the sane people can take more time off to actually live their lives?

Re: Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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And people who were injured to the point where they couldn't "work" anymore were still cared for by their community.

I mean, that just isn't true. There are amazon tribes today where they just send them down the river to die... your ideas are a disney-fied version of a false past that never existed.

I thought that a major reason humans were so successful is because the older members of the tribe could protect the children while the others hunted.

Re: Does Employment Slow Cognitive Decline? Evidence from Labor Market Shocks

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The ‘little incentive’ that it you don’t do it you starve to death. There’s tons of work being done because it feels meaningful, later today I’m cooking a meal for a potluck, etc. but if you want your Job to be meaningful that comes at a huge premium.

Good on you for cooking for the potluck! I think that's meaningful. I don't think having a meaningful job comes at a huge premium, though: 1. I don't think it's true that if you don't work, you'll starve to death. At least, not in the west. You won't have the high quality things compared to your peers, but the state will provide you with housing, food, and resources, so long as you're psychologically capable of using…

Delivering mail is meaningful for sure! So is teaching, people want to do these things and sometimes it lines up that there’s a market for it too.

The premium is that stuff like my job where I’m fiddling on Azure is to the benefit of no one and making four times as much.

If you want something meaningful you have to accept worse conditions because all the wonderful lovely people of the world who care and want to make a difference want to work there and not somewhere else.

And it’s interesting you picked mail as an example, when at least in the USA it’s run by the state ;p

I don’t really think it’s horrible that it’s not possible to mooch off your community and give back nothing forever but I don’t think ‘a little incentive’ is the right way of putting it, especially for all the people that hate their jobs for reasonable reasons but stay at it because of the alternative.

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