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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by gchamonlive »

swiftcoder wrote: post #387
gchamonlive wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These projects have made controversial design decisions which impact the entire ecosystem of Linux software. > I reject the idea that if I have technical critiques of these projects, that the fault somehow lies with me if I'm not willing to waste my time jumping distros or rewriting them myself. That attitude is exactly analogous to the user-hostile bullshit coming out of Microsoft. I understand it's frustrating wh…

If the expected Linux experience is "go build your own if you disagree", then I'm not clear how that is any better than being told the same by Microsoft/Apple

It's better because at least you can. With windows and apple you have to live with it. But that's not the expected experience. UX in Linux has only become better with time, all things considered.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by kasabali »

chris_wot wrote: post #307

Windows Explorer always freezes for me. Teams is constantly interrupting me with popovers to tell me about features I’ll never use. on startup, it takes some time for panels to load. The file system still uses drive letters. Can’t they scrap the old file system folder layout to something… organized?

> The file system still uses drive letters. Can’t they scrap the old file system folder layout to something… organized

There's no point doing so. Folder mounts are possible in diskmgmt.msc, and on Linux partitions end up mounted in /mnt/crap (and removables in /media/crap :D) anyway.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by suby »

noosphr wrote: post #248
cbdevidal wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also years of Windows muscle memory here, especially the keyboard shortcuts. I’ve used Windows since 1997. I’ve decided I’m done. A new PC arrives in a month. It’ll be running Ubuntu. I’m done. Maybe there is a Linux language similar to DirectX you might transition to? Maybe test code in a VM? (Although that gets you right back into Win11.)

>It’ll be running Ubuntu. I’m done. https://status.canonical.com/ You're in for a bad time. It's been three days and they still can't get updates to work. Get Debian if you must. Use something sane like Guix and OpenBSD if you can.

To be fair, they're allegedly experiencing under attack by the Iranian government. I doubt Guix or OpenBSD would be able to sustain service under a similar attack, though granted there's a reason Cannonical is the target and not OpenBSD.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/05/ubuntu-infrastructu...

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by glimshe »

realo wrote: post #231
glimshe wrote: post #152

Sweet Jesus, when are these guys going to understand that I want to be able to turn off automatic updates completely and forever . I'm fine if my computer melts and explodes if I didn't get the update, but let me do it on my own schedule permanently!

I understand your point and motivation completely. And I agree... However in today's world if you expose an unpatched "anything" to the internet then it is very possible that it will be discovered and eventually used to (silently) do things you don't want. Think DDOS farms, illegal software distribution etc... What is the middle ground? I don't think there is one. We need to have reliable, automatically updated OSes…

That's fine. I'll take responsibility for my decision. Show me a big warning message when I disable automatic updates.

If I'm concerned about this scenario, I'll just manually update it (by clicking the update button).

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by mdavid626 »

mdavid626 wrote: post #91

I literraly can’t name one feature since Windows 7 what was worth it, even on the contrary: every update made the system worse. I had to restore Notepad, Calculator and Paint from Windows 7. What the hell Microsoft?

So, to sum it up:

DirectX 12, better SSD support, HDR, restoring window layout when reconnecting monitors, WPA3, DNS over HTTPS, WSL2, Windows Sandbox, per monitor DPI scaling, QUIC, dark mode/tabs/previous session/better encoding in Notepad, Windows Terminal.

All these sound really nice to be honest. The things I want my OS to get.

The only problem is: these are the improvements what this OS got in the last 20 years, not last year. Microsoft is a $3T company.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by fuckinpuppers »

sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

Same, I had to use some hack to trigger sticky keys on the login screen to launch cmd.exe, then I could run the few elevated commands I needed to get back in.

At least notepad has rich text, AI, tabs! /s

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by notepad0x90 »

It looks like it's the year of the MacOS desktop.

I think since apple is looking at the lower-end consumer market, it must also be looking at the corporate desktop market. Supporting enterprise software/fleet is a whole different ballgame. But it does play well into apple's strength, in that apple is great at letting others experiment and learn lessons from their failures.

If the new leadership at apples even glances in that direction, it will be wild for the desktop computing industry in general. Perhaps microsoft will rethink things, but better yet, entire companies and governments might start switching to MacOS.

Linux desktop is not ready for mass adaption, but it isn't that far off either. My opinion is that people using more macs get them more familiar with the unixy way of doing things. But better yet, a lot of the tooling and libraries for macs is easier to port to linux than from windows. macs dominating enterprise and consumer markets can mean improvements in linux desktop, and the eventual reality (perhaps in a decade) of seeing GNU/Linux desktops in those same spaces as viable options (Android/Linux is already there in the lowest of the low markets).

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by bigyabai »

swiftcoder wrote: post #387
gchamonlive wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These projects have made controversial design decisions which impact the entire ecosystem of Linux software. > I reject the idea that if I have technical critiques of these projects, that the fault somehow lies with me if I'm not willing to waste my time jumping distros or rewriting them myself. That attitude is exactly analogous to the user-hostile bullshit coming out of Microsoft. I understand it's frustrating wh…

If the expected Linux experience is "go build your own if you disagree", then I'm not clear how that is any better than being told the same by Microsoft/Apple

There are alternatives to Wayland, Systemd, Vulkan, etc. on Linux. There are far fewer options on macOS and Windows, "build your own" typically entails starting from scratch.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by laurels-marts »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #268
kasabali wrote: post #187

> We’ve also made changes to the Power menu so you’ll always see the standard Restart and Shut down options without having to install a pending update first. You decide when updates happen, not the other way around. Great! We've progressed back to Windows XP of 22 years ago.

Great, this is actual progress. Now it would be amazing if "Update and Shut Down" would actually update and shut down, instead of doing so like 50% of the time with the other 50% just updating and restarting with an actual shut down. (This is on various very diverse machines so I'm rather sure is common, and not just an interaction with a particular machine). It's baffling that a company like MS can leave this kind o…

For me it never updates and shutdown. It always just updates and restarts.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by ilia-a »

krior wrote: post #347
ilia-a wrote: post #343

Windows 10, especially when they added WSL2 was genuinely great and an awesome platform for development, with essentially native/fast Linux. Since Win11, it has all been downhill (imo), speed dropped massively, even opening task manager now takes seconds, weird slowdowns that only reboot resolves (temporarily). I hope Microsoft starts taking performance seriously and tries to get back to what was lost after Win10, bu…

Why would you describe windows 10 as great? Forced updates and the beginning of ads, massive increase in telemetry while basically giving you a mediocre reskin and virtual desktops. Windows 11 sure moved the overton window.

Compared to what was before and after it was pretty great.
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