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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by bombcar »

munificent wrote: post #329
DrammBA wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can feel the frustation, nothing dramatic about expressing it This quote from the post resonated with me: > I want to get work done and it doesn't want me to get work done. I want to ship software and it doesn't want me to ship software. The sentiment is shared, and github is not the only service making me feel like that, it feels like everything on the web is more flimsy and low quality nowadays. Constant outages,…

> it feels like everything on the web is more flimsy and low quality nowadays. Not just the web either. It feels like the whole world is in a race to throw shit together and cash out as quickly as possible: influencers, hustle culture, enshittification, etc. My pet theory is that all of the global chaos around the climate, politics, pandemic, etc. is leading people to no longer believe in the future. Once you lose th…

   And you, my father, there on the sad height,
   Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
   Do not go gentle into that good night.
   Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
We can't really change the tide lest we be King Cnut - but we can at least take the time and effort in the things we do to fight against entropy - bring more order and durability into our lives.

Or perhaps another adaptation:

   God, grant me the serenity
   to accept the enshittification I cannot change
   the courage to improve the things I can
   and the wisdom to know the difference.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by idan »

blanched wrote: post #373
mritchie712 wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

looks like you work at github. I completely understand a "people who give a shit stick around" mentality if you work there, but you can't expect users who run a business on it to stick around if it's broken.

I don’t think they were trying to hide that - they said they’re a “hubber” at the top. Maybe not obvious, but not obfuscated.

Correct, sorry I thought this was pretty obvious but in retrospect maybe not.

I'm not encouraging Mitchell to stay, I'm saying that my version of his post is about _me_ staying to make a brighter future, and adding my context on why I still believe that.

And finally I closed with "I hope we win you back" to be extra clear about it!

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Post by paulryanrogers »

sho_hn wrote: post #292
JuniperMesos wrote: post #36

I can appreciate Hashimoto's genuine feelings about Github, and the world of open-source software development that it opened for him and that he spent a significant chunk of his life participating in. On the other hand, I can't help but think that some of this heartbreak would have been avoidable, if only he possessed more of the Richard-Stallman-esque attitude that non-free software is inherently suspect and unethic…

> Github has always been non-free software hosted by someone else, and run according to its owners' rules and for its owners' benefit, not ultimately the end user. This was true in 2008 and it's true today. Yup. At KDE we never seriously considered GitHub. We always built our own git infra, and eventually landed on GitLab, after banding together with Gnome and a (generous and forthcoming) GitLab to convince them to m…

GitLab cloud lost some of my projects. And it was (is?) quite slow. Props to those who can keep it running self hosted.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

baggachipz wrote: post #110
incognito124 wrote: post #28

Not surprised, I think I was subconsciously waiting for this as Mitchell has been very vocal about Github on X. They killed a lot of developer goodwill, and I feel this is just a start of the mass exodus. Good luck to the team with migration! (And here's hoping it's ersc :))

> very vocal about Github on X I really wish an open-source developer of his caliber would also migrate to a serious microblogging service which isn't so openly hostile to truth and civility. Ending the sticky network effect of an evil service starts with its biggest, most prolific users migrating away.

It's not about the technology, it's about the people. The initial people on your network matter. The moderators matter too. That's just a very different job than writing and shipping code.

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Post by cedws »

varun_ch wrote: post #19

I don’t know if it’s production ready yet, but tangled.org is a really interesting take on a forge and I’ve been watching it for a while. It decentralizes the centralized parts of GitHub in a pretty neat way. The biggest problem with forges that aren’t GitHub is people need to make and manage all these different accounts for each place they contribute (which almost certainly will lower the amount of people who do. Ma…

>manage all these different accounts for each place they contribute

For me that's a minor problem. The struggle of working across multiple code forges or making my code available on multiple is syncing CI/CD, issues, releases between them. I don't have the energy to maintain multiple versions of a pipeline.

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Post by skydhash »

duxup wrote: post #366

Help me out here because I honestly don't know / must have a different workflow. Are other people being impacted every day by github outages? What does that look like? I'm not saying the writer is wrong, I'm just wondering how folks who experience this every day work / how that exposure plays out / what it is.

I've been impacted once: An action that failed to start (a PR check), then the merge button on that PR having no effect. Thankfully there was no urgency. It's a bit distressing because GitHub is kinda the engineering hub of the companies. We do have copies of the codebase on our computers and can launch build from there, but we have a process for a reason, and bypassing it is hacky.

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Post by gavmor »

arianvanp wrote: post #128
carlos-menezes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add a third point: record service usage. https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

And yet GitHub has felt the most dead it ever did. Less quality contributions. Less feeling of community. All the open source projects are struggling. They dont have a service usage problem they have a slop problem. Ban the slop and the platform will thrive

Is it September already?

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Post by notnmeyer »

duxup wrote: post #366

Help me out here because I honestly don't know / must have a different workflow. Are other people being impacted every day by github outages? What does that look like? I'm not saying the writer is wrong, I'm just wondering how folks who experience this every day work / how that exposure plays out / what it is.

prs not being visible because search is down, various ui elements not loading, pushes failing, merges failing, gha runs that fail with random errors or take forever to schedule

i literally do not recall the last day that passed without someone on my team noticing that some portion of gh was degraded.

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Post by duped »

Reason077 wrote: post #45
celestialcheese wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azure migration is the most plausible explanation I've heard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45517173

GitHub claims that AI development tools have caused a massive surge in demand in recent months. They need to scale by 30X to keep up with demand. According to GitHub, Azure migration is the attempt at a fix/upscaling, not the underlying cause of the issues. Addressing GitHub’s recent availability issues: https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/addressing-gi... An update on GitHub availability: https://github.b…

Then they shouldn't be encouraging AI development tool usage.

I've never pushed a commit and thought huh, I wonder what copilot thinks of this.

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