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Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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Comments here overall do not reflect my experience -- i'm puzzled how the vast majority are using this technology day to day. 4.7 is absolute fire and an upgrade on 4.6.

I suspect the distinction is API vs subscription. The app has some kind of very restrictive system prompt which appears to heavily restrict compute without some creative coaxing. API remains solid. So if you're using OpenCode or some other harness with an API key, that's why you're still having a good time.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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>we don't want a hard dependency on another multi-billion dollar company just to write software One of two main reasons why I'm wary of LLMs. The other is fear of skill atrophy. These two problems compound. Skill atrophy is less bad if the replacement for the previous skill does not depend on a potentially less-than-friendly party.

I was worried about skill atrophy. I recently started a new job, and from day 1 I've been using Claude. 90+% of the code I've written has been with Claude. One of the earlier tickets I was given was to update the documentation for one of our pipelines. I used Claude entirely, starting with having it generate a very long and thorough document, then opening up new contexts and getting it to fact check until it stopped…

It's good that it's working for you but I'm not sure what this has to do with skill atrophy. It sounds like you never had this skill (in this case, working with that particular system) to begin with.

>I have a significantly better understanding of the codebase than I would without AI at this point in my onboarding

One of the pitfalls of using AI to learn is the same as I'd see students doing pre-AI with tutoring services. They'd have tutors explain the homework to do them and even work through the problems with them. Thing is, any time you see a problem or concept solved, your brain is tricked into thinking you understand the topic enough to do it yourself. It's why people think their job interview questions are much easier than they really are; things just seem obvious when you've thought about the solution. Anyone who's read a tutorial, felt like they understood it well, and then struggled for a while to actually start using the tool to make something new knows the feeling very well. That Todo List app in the tutorial seemed so simple, but the author was making a bunch of decisions constantly that you didn't have to think about as you read it.

So I guess my question would be: If you were on a plane flight with no wifi, and you wanted to do some dev work locally on your laptop, how comfortable would you be vs if you had done all that work yourself rather than via Claude?

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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im hoping and praying that local inference finds it's way to some sort of baseline that we're all depending on claude for here. that would help shape hardware designs on personal devices probably something in the direction of what apple has been doing. ive had to like tune out of the LLM scene because it's just a huge mess. It feels impossible to actually get benchmarks, it's insanely hard to get a grasp on what ever…

I'm frustrated that there's not "solid" instructional tooling. I either see people just saying "keep trying different prompts and switching models until you get lucky" or building huge cantilevered toolchains that seems incredibly brittle, and even then, how well do they really work? I get choice paralysis when you show me a prompt box-- I don't know what I can reasonably ask for and how to best phrase it, so I just…

yea that is probably the worst part of these techs becoming mainstream services and local-LLM'ing taking off in general: working with them at many points in any architecture no longer feels... deterministic i guess. way too fucking much "heres what i use" but no real best practices yet, just a lot of vague gray area and everyones still in discovery-mode on how to best find some level of determinism or workflow and ways we are benchmarking is seriously a moving target. everyone has their own branded take on what the technology is and their own branded approach on how to use it, and it's probably the murkiest and foggiest time to be in technology fields that i've ever seen :\ seems like weekly/monthly something is outdated, not just the models but the tooling people are parroting as the current best tooling to use. incredibly frustrating. there's simply too much ground to cover for any one person to have any absolute takes on any of it, and because a handful of entities are currently leading the charge draining lakes and trying to compete for every person and every businesses money, there's zero organized frameworks at the top to make some sense of this. they all are banking on their secret sauce, and i _really_ want us all to get away from this. local inference has to succeed imo but goddamn there needs to be some collective working together to rally behind some common strats/frameworks here. im sure there's already countless committees that have been established to try and get in front of this but even that's messy.

i don't know how else to phrase it: this feels like such an unstable landscape, "beta" software/services are running rampant in every industry/company/org/etc and there's absolutely no single resource we can turn to to help stay ahead of & plan for the rapidly-evolving landscape. every, and i mean every company, is incredibly irresponsible for using this stuff. including my own. once again though, cat's already out of the bag. now we fight for our lives trying to contain it and ensure things are well understood and implemented properly...which seems to be the steepest uphill battle of my life

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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i think it is quite clear that staying with opus 4.6 is the way to go, on top of the inflation, 4.7 is quite... dumb. i think they have lobotomized this model while they were prioritizing cybersecurity and blocking people from performing potentially harmful security related tasks.

Hey, Boris from the Claude Code team here. People were getting extra cyber warnings when using old versions of Claude Code with Opus 4.7. To fix it, just run claude update to make sure you're on the latest. Under the hood, what was happening is that older models needed reminders, while 4.7 no longer needs it. When we showed these reminders to 4.7 it tended to over-fixate on them. The fix was to stop adding cyber remi…

What is your response to:

> 4.7 is quite... dumb. i think they have lobotomized this model

Is adaptive thinking still broken? Why was the option to disable it taken away?

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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I'd be ok with paying more if results were good, but it seems like Anthropic is going for the Tinder/casino intermittent reinforcement strategy: optimized to keep you spending tokens instead of achieving results. And yes, Claude models are generally more fun to use than GPT/Codex. They have a personality. They have an intuition for design/aesthetics. Vibe-coding with them feels like playing a video game. But the resu…

You have to guide an ai. Not let roam freely. If you got skills to guide you can make it output high quality

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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If you've seen further it's only because you've stood on the shoulders of giants. Having other people do work for you is how people get to focus on things they actually care about. Do you use a compiler you didn't write yourself? If so can you really say you've ever learned anything about computers?

You have to build a computer to learn about computers!

I would argue that if you've just watched videos about building computers and haven't sat down and done one yourself, then yeah I don't see any evidence that you've learned how to build a computer.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

#397

I was using Opus 4.7 just yesterday to help implement best practices on a single page website. After just ~4 prompts I blew past my daily limit. Another ~7 more prompts & I blew past my weekly limit. The entire HTMl/CSS/JS was less than 300 lines of code. I was shocked how fast it exhausted my usage limits.

I haven't used Claude. Because I suspect this sort of things to come. With enterprise subscription, the bill gets bigger but it's not like VP can easily send a memo to all its staff that a migration is coming. Individuals may end their subscription, that would appease the DC usage, and turn profits up.

Sorry you are missing out. I use claude all day every day with max and what people are reporting here has not been my experience. My current usage is 16% and it resets Thursday.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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That'd be awesome but it doesn't reflect what I see. Do you have a source for that? What I see is if take a quick break the session loses ~5% right at the start of the next prompt processing. (I'm currently on max 5x)

I have heard that if you have telemetry disabled the cache is 5 minutes, otherwise 1h. No clue how true that is however my experience (with telemetry enabled) has been the 1h cache.

They've acknowledged that as a bug and have fixed it.

Re: Anonymous request-token comparisons from Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7

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For now, I'm planning to stick with Opus 4.5 as a driver in VSCode Copilot. My workflow is to give the agent pretty fine-grained instructions, and I'm always fighting agents that insist on doing too much. Opus 4.5 is the best out of all agents I've tried at following the guidance to do only-what-is-needed-and-no-more. Opus 4.6 takes longer, overthinks things and changes too much; the high-powered GPTs are similarly f…

> 4.7 is going to replace both 4.5 and 4.6 as in 4.5 is no longer going to be avail? F. ive also been sticking with 4.5 that sucks

https://github.blog/changelog/2026-04-16-claude-opus-4-7-is-...

> Over the coming weeks, Opus 4.7 will replace Opus 4.5 and Opus 4.6 in the model picker for Copilot Pro+[...]

> This model is launching with a 7.5× premium request multiplier as part of promotional pricing until April 30th.

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