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Seems like the real costs and numbers are very hidden right now. It’s all private companies and secret info how much anything costs and if anything is profitable.
Some say margins could be up to 90% on API inference. The house always wins?
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The per-request pricing is ridiculous (in a good way, for the user). You can get so much done on a single prompt if you build the right workflow. I'm sure they'll change it soon
Yeah it seems insane that it's priced this way to me too. Using sonnet/opus through a ~$40 a month copilot plan gives me at least an order of magnitude more usage than a ~$40 a month claude code plan (the usage limits on the latter are so low that it's effectively not a viable choice, at least for my use cases). The models are limited to 160k token context length but in practice that's not a big deal. Unless MS has a…
So the new tokenizer costs for English/code is to support SHOUTING in English?
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It’s not really, companies like GM used to boast about how well they treated their employees and communities. It was Jack Welch and a legion of like-minded arseholes who decided they should be increasingly richer no matter who or what paid for it.
It’s funny how corporations get a bar wrap. Have you ever worked with private equity? Bad to worse.
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> Google is the company that created a class-less non-hierarchical internet. Can you explain what you mean by this? I disagree but I don't understand how you think Google did this so I am very curious. For my part, I started using the internet before Google, and I strongly hold the opinion that Google's greatest contribution to the internet was utterly destroying its peer to peer, free, open exchange model by being t…
The alternative was a teleco AOL style internet with pay tiers for access to select websites. The free web of the 90's would remain, but would be about as culturally relevant as Linux. Surely you have to recognize the inconsistency of saying that Google "corporatized" the web, while the vast majority of people using google have never paid them anything. In fact many don't even load their ads or trackers, and still ma…
There’s several subjects to go into here and HN probably isn’t the best place for the amount of detail this discussion requires but I will just note the amount of people blocking Google’s ads and trackers is negligible and has significantly shrunk in the mobile first era.
The wave is shifting to other corporations now but for a good while most of the internet was architected to give Google money. Remember SEO? An entire practice of web publishing centered around Google’s profit share. That hasn’t disappeared- it’s just evolved and transformed into more ingrained rent-seeking.
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That post doesn't address the human factor of cost, and I don't mean that in a good way. Even if AI costs more than a human, it's tireless, doesn't need holidays, is never going to have to go to HR for sexual harassment issues, won't show up hungover or need an advance to pay for a dying relative's surgery. It can be turned on and off with the flip of a switch. Hire 30 today, fire 25 of them next week. Spin another 5…
More importantly it collapses mythical-man-month communication overhead.
Good lord. Reading all these comments makes me feel so much better for dumping anthropic the first time their opus started becoming dumber (circa Month ago). It feels like most people in this thread are somehow bound to Claude, even though it is alread fully enshittfied.
Given that they haven’t even gone public yet, doesn’t that seem like putting the cart before the horse a bit? And if they’re already enshittifying it won’t be long until the other placers start doing so as well. Have we passed peak LLM intelligence and are we now watching it degrade as they fail to roll these new advanced models out to their increasing user base? Are the finances not adding up? Lots of questions.
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Seems like the real costs and numbers are very hidden right now. It’s all private companies and secret info how much anything costs and if anything is profitable.
Some say margins could be up to 90% on API inference. The house always wins?
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It's not gonna stay that way. Token cost is being massively subsidized right now. Prices will have to start increasing at some point.
This is hard to say definitively. The new Nvidia Vera Rubin chips are 35-50x more efficient on a FLOPS/ megawatt basis. TPU/ ASICS/ AMD chips are making similar less dramatic strides. So a service ran at a loss now could be high margin on new chips in a year. We also don’t really know that they are losing money on the 200/ month subscriptions just that they are compute constrained. If prices increase might be because…