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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

Multicomp wrote: post #382
ryanleesipes wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would get you to switch from Fastmail?

JMAP is a bonus (other fastmail user here) bjt if I can do custom sieve rules and or unlimited aliases created on demand at (somestring)@customdomainiown.com thst I can then use the sieve rules to put into a folder of the same name as that email address, I would rather give my money to support Thunderbird. Fastmail is fine and all but they are in australia so they live on spyware island and they dont have good native…

Unlimited aliases at custom domains are a part of the offering. Technically, Thundermail supports sieve rules, we do need to come up with UX to expose it to users for management.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by rioc0719 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #354
ryanmcbride wrote: post #349

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Since most of the people here who seem wary about how their donation is getting spent, I have a feeling that "mostly on devs" probably won't cut it for them, though I assume it's true. Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting where you show percentages of what money went where? If it's going where you say it is I think making that information transparent would be a free win. (I know there would b…

> Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting That very much exists, and is issued yearly. Consolidated Financial Statements 2024-2023: https://stateof.mozilla.org/pdf/Mozilla%20Fdn%202024%20-%20A... Expenses in Software Development (2024): > 290,448,000 Total Expenses (2024): > 588,215,000 Ryan Sipes, if you can read this, everybody online remembers the 2020 Servo team lay-offs, and the juxtapositi…

You cannot simultaneously increase the percentage of donations going to directly paying "just developers" while decreasing the percentage going to admin costs. Who will be responsible for implementing this ring-fencing of donations, if not precisely the non-developers you'd like them to spend less on?

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by nevermined »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #322

CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…

I've been using Thunderbird exclusively for as long as I can remember (Internet user since '92).

I don't understand why they make it so hard to donate anonymously. I actually found their IBAN (DE05 5123 0500 0500 2158) on the Google results page, not on the page it linked to.

Annoying.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

hosteur wrote: post #215
psittacus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that it answers your question, but the move happened in 2020 to "hire more easily, act more swiftly, and pursue ideas that were previously not possible". https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

So here more than 6 years later, did they act more swiftly or pursue new ideas? The development pace seems unbearably slow.

Total mail UI/UX overhaul, total backend overhaul allowing implementation of new protocols (first new protocol was Exchange), an Android app and monthly release cadence vs yearly. And that's just to name the ones that immediately come to mind. Have plenty of users yelling at us for changing too much.

Take a look at https://blog.thunderbird.net for a play-by-play. But we're doing a helluva lot.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

Fervicus wrote: post #50
tristanj wrote: post #5

Mozilla brings in almost $700 million per year, they have more than enough money to sponsor MZLA/Thunderbird development.

What do they do with all that money? According to wikipedia, they had about 750 employees. That's a lot of employees for the amount of useful products they have.

Thunderbird is in a different company. Doesn't get any Google money. Only funded by donations.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ternaryoperator »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #365
ternaryoperator wrote: post #336

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I can see switching from gmail, but it would have to be really compelling to get me to switch from Fastmail.

What would get you to switch from Fastmail?

The few times I've needed support, Fastmail has responded nearly immediately with the exact info I needed. So Moz would need to demonstrate excellence in customer service before I would consider any migration.

(I know that doesn't directly answer your question, but it does articulate a necessary pre-condition, and one that is hard for businesses entering a new line of service to deliver--although not impossible, of course.)

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by vrighter »

gosub100 wrote: post #307
BizarroLand wrote: post #295

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Exactly. I decided to never donate to Wikipedia again after learning that wikipedia took some of that donated money and redonated it to other companies. It felt like a betrayal to me. Not that I think the other companies were bad, but if they have so much money they're giving it away to other people then they obviously don't need my money anymore. If they wanted people to give other companies money then why didn't th…

and their globe-trotting for their "foundation". yeah let's donate $20 to buy 2 gal of kerosene for your private jet to $COUNTRY. no way

A Boeing 777 burns 300g of fuel per second per engine, while taxiing on the ground... so 2 gallons gets you somewhere between 10 and 15 seconds of taxiing.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by antisol »

Vinnl wrote: post #383
antisol wrote: post #356

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> just the fact that they've ensured that k9mail is still maintained seems like an objective win, even if it's now called Thunderbird. Not if you liked k9 and wanted it to not get turned into trash. It's just a matter of time. Personally I'd rather see k9 not maintained - it works perfectly well and has for ages - than see it ruined by mozilla like everything else.

k9mail's developer called it a day, so this is still strictly the better outcome. If you want an unmaintained version, why not just install the old version?

That is indeed extremely likely to happen
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