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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Factually untrue, Russian men can and do leave the country. Also, nice whataboutism bro.

How about Russians from abroad, do they often go back to Russia?

The men I know try not to go unless it's absolutely necessary. The women generally prance to Russia and back all the time. (Exceptions exist, of course.)

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If that factoid were at all important then the military should use grip strength to determine who to draft, not gender.

There are physical tests and people do get disqualified.

Yes, and women are not prohibited from taking those tests simply because they are women. Indeed, many women qualify.

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Ukraine has been violating that for young men since the start of its war.

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> Nobody even questions why men in UKR. cannot leave the country

Because the answer is obvious - Ukraine fights war.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

And "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person." Military service also serves the purpose to defend that right when the country is attacked. Rights aren't absolute, they have to be traded off against each other.

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> And while I wouldn't necessarily call it draconian because after all somebody has to defend my country The ends don't justify the means. Conscription has no place in the free world. It's slavery, plain and simple. Going into the military should be an appealing career choice. Our soldiers are supposed to be highly skilled professionals, not cannon fodder in large quantities.

So, if some other country with different value system attacks your homeland with intention to effectively colonize it then you'd be okay with just letting it happen?

Any country that contains millionaires while using military slaves ("conscripts") is evil. If there is clear existential risk then the state should implement wealth taxes to pay volunteer troops instead of enslaving people. And if literally everybody outside the military has been taxed down to the poverty line, and there are still not enough volunteers, it's time to surrender.

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> Nobody even questions why men in UKR. cannot leave the country Because the answer is obvious - Ukraine fights war.

Why is it only *forced for men? Does that sound equal and civil to you? note we are not living in middle ages and there is no world war.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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I'm surprised this news is stalling at 24 points. Everybody has to understand that even if this law isn't impacting you; this is a signal in the noise. Germany is a major part of the industrial military complex together with the US and still the 3rd largest economy in the world after US and China. This is meaningful as it sets course for war in Europe. And for Germans it means soon to be enforced limitations of civil…

The law was the status quo from the 1950s up to 2011. This is reverting to that era, for good reasons, given the state of the world.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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And russia has been violating this too, along with other much worse things, as usual.

Factually untrue, Russian men can and do leave the country. Also, nice whataboutism bro.

You started with bringing Ukraine up under an article about Germany, so how is your comment any less a whataboutism than mine?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.

Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean.

Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that

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Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. The people who are trying to make young men only doing the killing the norm are the same people trying to end feminism. Therefore, there is some logic in your question. When I was in Asia two years ago, as an American, every time I met a young Russian man escaping conscription, drinks were on me as appreciation to their co…

> Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. If any claim ever required "citation needed", this one is the biggest. I've never seen feminists fight for duties, only for privileges.

I need to revise what I wrote. The protests and stance have all been against selective service for both men and woman. However, on the flip side, the stance for enlisting and volunteering are opposite. I'll let you Google that one to see if you think if "citation needed".

Do you agree that women and men should serve equally in front line combat?

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