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Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Re: Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Post by dgb23 »

_the_inflator wrote: post #246
Towaway69 wrote: post #124

What the article doesn't touch on is the vendor lock-in that is currently underway. Many corps are now moving to an AI-based development process that is reliant on the big AI providers. Once the codebase has become fully agentic, i.e., only agents fundamentally understand it and can modify it, the prices will start rising. After all, these loss making AI companies will eventually need to recoup on their investments.…

I have similar concerns. We will miss SaaS dearly. I think history is repeating just with DVD and streaming - we simply bought the same movie twice. AI more and more feels the same. Half a year ago Claude Opus was Anthropics most expensive model - boy, using Claude Opus 4.6 in the 500k version is like paying 1 dollar per minute now. My once decent budgets get hit not after weeks but days (!) now. And I am not using a…

Are you saying we increasingly get ML results and not LLM resuluts?

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Post by bayindirh »

voidUpdate wrote: post #392

I feel like people are getting too comfortable saying "clanker". It's a word that was literally conceived as a slur against a group, but I guess people feel ok using it because its not aimed at humans?

What's the problem with using it in the context of AI? Will it get offended, too?

Will it track people down and refuse orders, or give poisoned output?

Re: Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Post by voidUpdate »

bayindirh wrote: post #393
voidUpdate wrote: post #392

I feel like people are getting too comfortable saying "clanker". It's a word that was literally conceived as a slur against a group, but I guess people feel ok using it because its not aimed at humans?

What's the problem with using it in the context of AI? Will it get offended, too? Will it track people down and refuse orders, or give poisoned output?

No, but I just feel like calling something by a word that is designed to offend doesn't reflect particularly well on the person saying it, no matter if the target has the ability to comprehend it?

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Post by dgb23 »

voidUpdate wrote: post #392

I feel like people are getting too comfortable saying "clanker". It's a word that was literally conceived as a slur against a group, but I guess people feel ok using it because its not aimed at humans?

That’s a very deliberate style in the specific article. It’s a polemic, so the choice of words is provokative.

Re: Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Post by dgb23 »

gurachek wrote: post #347

The compounding booboos bit is the key insight here. Humans are a bottleneck and that bottleneck is actually load-bearing. You feel the pain of bad decisions slowly enough to course correct. I've been building the same AI product for months - a coaching loop that persists across sessions. Every few weeks someone ships a "competitor" in a weekend. Feature list looks similar. The difference is everything that breaks wh…

I like the framing of „context drift“. It describes the problem in LLM/agent terms.

Similar how „tech debt“ describes the same mechanism in business terms.

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Post by danhite »

sublinear wrote: post #352
badlibrarian wrote: post #5

I suppose everyone on HN reaches a certain point with these kind of thought pieces and I just reached mine. What are you building? Does the tool help or hurt? People answered this wrong in the Ruby era, they answered it wrong in the PHP era, they answered it wrong in the Lotus Notes and Visual BASIC era. After five or six cycles it does become a bit fatiguing. Use the tool sanely. Work at a pace where your understand…

Perhaps this is the wrong place to plant this thought. Maybe nobody will read it. These comments are now many hours old and HN has a way of walking away once they have had their turn shouting into the void. I once received a "bonsai" seed kit from a former boss during a holiday dinner. I think it was meant as a joke, but even now I'm not so sure. I planted those seeds anyway. I told some people about it and they imme…

> Maybe nobody will read it. These comments are now many hours old and HN has a way of walking away once they have had their turn shouting into the void.

  All that is gold does not glitter,
  Not all those who wander are lost;
  The old that is strong does not wither,
  Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

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Post by faangguyindia »

vinyl7 wrote: post #213
enraged_camel wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The last 10 years in the software industry in particular seems full of meta-work. Building new frameworks, new tools, new virtualization layers, new distributed systems, new dev tooling, new org charts. All to build... what exactly? Are these tools necessary to build what we actually need? Or are they necessary to prop up an unsustainable industry by inventing new jobs? This is because all the low-hanging fruit ha…

It may exist (with a loose term of exist) but they are all mostly garbage. There's still plenty opportunity to make non-garbage version of things that already exist

They are not garbage, they are just deeply integrated where a newcomer thinks there is better way to do this but no gurantees you can make it better

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

I am not [yet] comfortable, working with agents. I work interactively, with a chat interface. It’s definitely made a significant difference, for me.

But the LLM regularly makes lots of mistakes (sometimes, due to me, giving it bogus information). I can’t imagine just letting it do the whole thing, as a “black box.”

I’m old enough to remember the advent of ATMs. When they first came out, they were universally free, for years.

Once people got hooked, the fees began to appear.

Re: Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Post by voidUpdate »

dgb23 wrote: post #395
voidUpdate wrote: post #392

I feel like people are getting too comfortable saying "clanker". It's a word that was literally conceived as a slur against a group, but I guess people feel ok using it because its not aimed at humans?

That’s a very deliberate style in the specific article. It’s a polemic, so the choice of words is provokative.

I've heard it a lot in other situations, where there is a similar want to use words that would offend
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