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FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by HumblyTossed »

tombert wrote: post #334

Seems like now is as good a time as any for people who know how to do this to build their own routers with Pfsense, Opnsense, ClearOS, or one of the many other firewall/router distros out there. You can get an old desktop or laptop that's more than good enough to be a router for basically nothing (or sometimes literally nothing) on Craigslist or Ebay. I suspect pretty much anyone who frequents this forum could probab…

I have 2 MX4300 and 2 E8450. all run openwrt. Only wifi 6, but that is all I need for my family. Right now only using 1 of each and the other two are backups. I got them all super cheap when they were on sale.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by theginger »

anthk wrote: post #328

Every Unix and 9front OS can be a router with two interfaces. > Firmware updates for existing covered devices are allowed, but only through March 1, 2027. Good luck enforcing that with libre firmware without being sued with some amendment until oblivion and the FCC -the irony- gets sued like crazy.

You probably don't even need 2 interfaces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_on_a_stick

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by cjbgkagh »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #385
Miraste wrote: post #341

This is the same thing they did to drones. It's corruption. It doesn't even make sense from an extreme isolationist point of view, because there's no path to create domestic manufacturing. I'm guessing the rest of this looks like drones, too: FCC approval is given only to American companies that bribe members of the administration, and they raise prices through the roof. The routers are still manufactured overseas an…

There absolutely is a path to domestic manufacturing. It might be long and hard, but it does exist. Source: My company manages logistics for dozens of US manufacturing companies.

In theory but the difficulty in practice is that if you were to invest in local manufacturing you'd have to be sure that someone else won't be given a waver via lobbying / corruption and will then be able to completely undercut you. The current US administration lacks the credibility to give such assurances. Given existing models are exempt you're better of just delaying new models while you wait for a new admin.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #394
9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There absolutely is a path to domestic manufacturing. It might be long and hard, but it does exist. Source: My company manages logistics for dozens of US manufacturing companies.

In theory but the difficulty in practice is that if you were to invest in local manufacturing you'd have to be sure that someone else won't be given a waver via lobbying / corruption and will then be able to completely undercut you. The current US administration lacks the credibility to give such assurances. Given existing models are exempt you're better of just delaying new models while you wait for a new admin.

I don't think it follows that a Democrat administration would reverse this.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by wat10000 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #370
cute_boi wrote: post #323

this administration is going nuts day by day. I don't know how people are even tolerating.

Lotta people just stick their heads in the ground and ignore it, exactly like they did with all the warning signs during trump’s last term.

Too many people have rebuilt their entire identity around the guy. It's just like people who get scammed and then keep giving money to the scammer even after you tell them what's going on. Admitting that they've been scammed would be a blow to the ego that they can't handle.

Combine that with a general inability to understand or empathize with what's going on outside what they can directly see. How many Trump supporters have we seen who loved him cracking down on illegal immigrants until the crackdown came for someone they cared about, then suddenly it was an outrage (but only an outrage in that specific case)? How many have cheered tariffs until they had to pay a bunch more money for something? How many said "no more wars!" and thought it was great how Trump didn't invade anyone in his first term, and now are saying that attacking Iran is great because they've been an existential threat for half a century? This will be the same way. It'll be, yeah, stick it to those foreign bastards. America First! Then in a few months or years, "The store doesn't have any routers, what the hell?"

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by tencentshill »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #385
Miraste wrote: post #341

This is the same thing they did to drones. It's corruption. It doesn't even make sense from an extreme isolationist point of view, because there's no path to create domestic manufacturing. I'm guessing the rest of this looks like drones, too: FCC approval is given only to American companies that bribe members of the administration, and they raise prices through the roof. The routers are still manufactured overseas an…

There absolutely is a path to domestic manufacturing. It might be long and hard, but it does exist. Source: My company manages logistics for dozens of US manufacturing companies.

Then it needs careful consideration and compromise. Ramming through a change is just another signal that they can't get anyone to agree to it.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by bsimpson »

tombert wrote: post #387
yabones wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even easier, just throw together some iptables rules & install dnsmasq. Obviously out of reach of most non-techy people but it's not much worse than most self-hosted things people build. I've even done it with USB-Ethernet dongles. Maybe "whitebox" stuff will have a moment here. Buy a ARM based "computer" that just happens to have a built in switch and 802.11 radio, and separately purchase an SD card with the OS on i…

The easiest one I've set up was ClearOS. I was happy enough with OpnSense but when I upgraded a network card I had issues with driver compatibility because of the FreeBSD core. ClearOS being Linux it worked out of the box, and getting ClearOS set up seriously only took me like fifteen minutes. I was shocked. I love my NixOS thing, because I am part of the cult of NixOS, but it's probably something I wouldn't recommen…

Having to debug NixOS offline (that is - without the aid of Gemini CLI) sounds like a special kind of pain.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

Miraste wrote: post #341

This is the same thing they did to drones. It's corruption. It doesn't even make sense from an extreme isolationist point of view, because there's no path to create domestic manufacturing. I'm guessing the rest of this looks like drones, too: FCC approval is given only to American companies that bribe members of the administration, and they raise prices through the roof. The routers are still manufactured overseas an…

Why is there no path? Surely it’s possible to do?
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