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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by solenoid0937 »

827a wrote: post #98

I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

This is such an incredibly entitled take

You are given a loss leader product under certain terms for a very cheap price. The ONLY condition is that you respect the terms.

Instead of doing that you go off on this rant about how you shouldn't have to respect the terms and the company is evil for imposing terms at all!

The Claude API is RIGHT THERE if you don't want to use the loss leader. Where is this entitlement coming from!?

Sure Codex lets you do this for now, but VC money is finite and people won't let you abuse their free loss leaders forever.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by solenoid0937 »

cferry wrote: post #350

I believe the solution to this kind of problems is that enough legislators (thinking of USA, EU) make it illegal to require a certain implementation of a software client to use an online service, whether this restriction is built into the communications protocol or checked through a side channel. Then the owner of the client device decides which implementation they'd like to use - so corporations can keep requiring t…

This just increases the price for everyone. The API is always there if you don't want to use the loss leader. The entitlement in this thread is insane.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by solenoid0937 »

Covenant0028 wrote: post #369
faangguyindia wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude code might be subsidized but there are other risks Like if any agent can use claude models then it exposes them to distillation risk. Where data gathered from millions of such agent usage can easily be used to train a model, making their model superiority subpar Second thing is, to improve their own coding model, you need predictable input. If input to their model is all over the place (using different harness…

They are not entitled to a moat, and their customers do not owe them one. Several companies have narrow or no moats. Dell and HP are two examples when it comes to their PC business. This idea that companies should be allowed to lock down their products just so they can have moats, is how we ended up with printer ink being more expensive than crude oil or champagne.

Companies are absolutely allowed to lock down their own products. Netflix is a great example, you don't bring your own client for Netflix.

The whining/entitlement in this thread is ridiculous. The API is always there for you to use as you desire.

If you want to use the loss leader on the other hand, you agree to abide by certain terms. But if you don't want to do that, just use the API. It's not that hard.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by solenoid0937 »

skybrian wrote: post #281
rcr-anti wrote: post #242

Something that usually gets missed in these discussions is that the subscription quotas seem to rely heavily on prompt caching to be economically viable, or at least less unviable. They can and do have permutations of the system prompt, tools, skills, etc. that makes the first 20k or so tokens hit the cache and not use inference resources for that portion. In addition, from my monitoring, Claude Code with Max has abo…

Maybe they could charge API users less if they use the same prefix that Claude Code uses? More coding agents using the same prefix results in better caching, reducing costs.

They do charge API users less, I pay 50-90% less when structuring my prompts for caching.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by solenoid0937 »

karmasimida wrote: post #193
awestroke wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all of us enjoy being glazed mercilessly while getting subpar output

I have burnt billion of tokens in gpt 5.4 and I didn’t know what you are talking about

It's trash for larger codebases vs Opus unfortunately.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by solenoid0937 »

Daviey wrote: post #329

I know this is a low value comment, but Anthropic always felt like the good guys in this space. Now.. Fuck you Anthropic.

Amazing how fickle people are. Yes, Anthropic are the baddies for not letting you abuse their loss leading product.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by openflicks »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #393
Covenant0028 wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not entitled to a moat, and their customers do not owe them one. Several companies have narrow or no moats. Dell and HP are two examples when it comes to their PC business. This idea that companies should be allowed to lock down their products just so they can have moats, is how we ended up with printer ink being more expensive than crude oil or champagne.

Companies are absolutely allowed to lock down their own products. Netflix is a great example, you don't bring your own client for Netflix. The whining/entitlement in this thread is ridiculous. The API is always there for you to use as you desire. If you want to use the loss leader on the other hand, you agree to abide by certain terms. But if you don't want to do that, just use the API. It's not that hard.

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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by Daviey »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #397
Daviey wrote: post #329

I know this is a low value comment, but Anthropic always felt like the good guys in this space. Now.. Fuck you Anthropic.

Amazing how fickle people are. Yes, Anthropic are the baddies for not letting you abuse their loss leading product.

Can you help me understand how using Claude Code isn't abusive, but Opencode is?

('because they said so, isn't a good answer)

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