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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by porridgeraisin »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #301
sreejithr wrote: post #231

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Exactly! Don't bring politics into HN. Everyone and their dog have grievances. There's a time and place for them.

Exactly, we shouldn’t waste the precious time of HNers so that they can instead… checks notes… read about the nth vibevcoded side project!

Yes. I would much rather do that. This stuff is all over all of the other information sources. What is wrong with having HN purely tech focused? Politics with way more of a direct intersection with tech - for example the E2EE "bans", chat control, meta's misadventures - makes sense. But not unrelated crap.

Nobody is "raising awareness" here (saw this mentioned above in this thread). Trust me people will still hear about these things if HN doesn't post them. We're just sharing a BBC article for heaven's sake. Its not like we have some new information source like say a former-IDF tech founder whistleblowing. Its all so performative.

There is zero new information any HN reader gains from this post. Its a BBC article, the comments are the same as what you see on instagram twitter or reddit, and the responses from the "defenders" are the same as what you see on instagram twitter or reddit as well.

I've commented before[1] about the weird lack of moderation/enforcement of this guideline:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

This one is politics or crime depending on which side you're on.

Never seen it enforced. Not for gaza,iran,venezuela,pakistan,ukraine. The US elections, random nonsense trump does, US govt shutdowns, greenland too.

All of those have been covered here extensively with zero net benefit/net information transacted.

I'm not saying we should only talk about Flash Attention version 6546272. Like if you see the health insurance thread on the front page today, you can see a CFO, a tech worker in the space, etc, commenting and contributing net new information. This simply doesn't (and I don't see how it can ever) happen on these gaza threads.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45435109

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by throw310822 »

nailer wrote: post #327
bhouston wrote: post #257

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> is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? I agree. Hamas and IDF do terrible things - the ICC issued warrants for the leaders of both. This is why an external party has to impose a solution and it should involve in my opinion separation (two-states.) Both parties are radicalized at least for now and need to be separated and allowed to manage their own affairs while allowing the other…

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The two-state solution doesn't need to be offered, it needs to be imposed. And it needs to be imposed on both parties, which means that Israel needs to be forced to withdraw within its legitimate borders.

Israel (with the West's participation and complicity) has been perfectly able to impose on Palestinians the settlements, the walls and the apartheid. Therefore Israel and the West will have no trouble imposing on Palestinians wider borders, withdrawal from settlements and the end of the occupation.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by throw310822 »

bhouston wrote: post #349
nailer wrote: post #327

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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boa…

It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by throw310822 »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #358
IncreasePosts wrote: post #252

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Why does Gaza get 10x the coverage on HN and other social media well, when what has been happening in Sudan in the same time period is 10x worse? (The 10x coverage number is from algolia hn search, the 10x worse number is from reported killings in the past year)

That's a legitimate question and it has no good answer. Not just Sudan. There is an ongoing genocide in Myanmar, against the Rohingya. There is an ongoing genocide against the Uyghurs in china. None of those get nearly the amount of coverage the genocide in Gaza gets, or, now the war in Iran and Lebanon. I have no idea why. I have recently started to grow a bit paranoid and wonder whether I am being manipulated by th…

> why only Gaza, and not the other genocides?

Super easy answer: because only on Gaza your government openly sides with the perpetrators, arms and finances them, the media justify them, laws are passed to curb criticism and punish boycotts, and people in online discussion forums bring up always the same debunked arguments and rhetorical devices to divert the attention [1], blame the victims and justify the perpetrators. It's the disagreement that fuels the discussion, the obvious contrast between the right position and the official statements and public propaganda.

1- of which yours is a classic example: "why talk about this and not about something else?"

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by vortegne »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #366
jll29 wrote: post #124

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A certain amount of politics should/must be tolerated on HN, because you cannot compartmentalize technology, politics and morality. No-one, not even people who say they like technology but do not care about politics, should be able to live their life wihtout knowing that we live in a world where six-year old blind children are murdered with automatic assault rifles. (For the same reason that no-one should be able to…

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The crazy double standard is you telling absolutely verifiable lies and feeling completely fine and righteous about it.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by poisonarena »

hjkl0 wrote: post #383
morgengold wrote: post #189

I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

> they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination This is the biggest lie of all. Israeli Jews constantly dream about eliminating the Palestinian people. We talk about it openly and without shame. We discuss pros and cons in terms of security, legality, world public opinion, etc. These are the only considerations. We don’t see any humanity there. We just need thei…

>Israeli Jews constantly dream about eliminating the Palestinian people. We talk about it openly and without shame.

We? speak for yourself loser

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