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Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by neaden »

mmooss wrote: post #106
neaden wrote: post #6

I hate this headline (not blaming submitter). Police incompetence and negligence jailed her for months and left her stranded in a North Dakota winter. The AI is no more responsible than the cars and airplanes they used. Edit: this is in reference to the original headline "AI error jails innocent grandmother for months in North Dakota fraud case" not the revised title that it was changed to.

If you make the AI software, then your software malfunctioned. If the laser printer screws up a page in the middle of the document, and the user doesn't catch it and includes it in the board of directors binder, the laser printer still malfunctioned.

Sure, and if the headline had been that it misidentified an innocent person I wouldn't have had a problem, it's specifically saying the AI jailed her that I think is a dangerous framing by removing police responsibility. In the same way in your example I wouldn't say "Laser Printer gives bad presentation"

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by ahazred8ta »

tptacek wrote: post #369
mschild wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some police departments seem to actively reject candidates that have higher scores on IQ tests. Not that I think IQ test scores and actual intelligence are related but it clearly shows their intended target candidate group. https://abcnews.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story...

This came up a few weeks ago. I don't think it's true. This lawsuit from 26 years ago is the only example anybody has come up with. Among the problems with this claim: * Nobody can find a police department that administers any kind of general cognitive test. * There are large states with statewide written police aptitude tests that are imperfect but correlated to general cognitive ability, and maximizing scores on th…

In different states, police use cognitive aptitude tests such as the Wonderlic -- https://jobdescriptionandresumeexamples.com/10-important-fac... -- https://www.practice4me.com/lst-police-exam/ -- these are not strictly 'IQ' tests, but they're very similar.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by tptacek »

ahazred8ta wrote: post #394
tptacek wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This came up a few weeks ago. I don't think it's true. This lawsuit from 26 years ago is the only example anybody has come up with. Among the problems with this claim: * Nobody can find a police department that administers any kind of general cognitive test. * There are large states with statewide written police aptitude tests that are imperfect but correlated to general cognitive ability, and maximizing scores on th…

In different states, police use cognitive aptitude tests such as the Wonderlic -- https://jobdescriptionandresumeexamples.com/10-important-fac... -- https://www.practice4me.com/lst-police-exam/ -- these are not strictly 'IQ' tests, but they're very similar.

The Wonderlic might as well be an IQ test (I'm using the term "general cognitive test").

The LST isn't; it's a domain-specific occupational exam.

If you find a place that (1) uses the Wonderlic and (2) has recently (like, not all the way back in 2000) claimed there was a high-end cut-off for applicants, you'll have disproven my claim. I don't think giving general cognitive tests to prospective police officers is common; this is why there are things like the LST, the PELLETB, and the POST.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by throwaway17_17 »

PopAlongKid wrote: post #364
throwaway17_17 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The belief by a juror that law enforcement personnel, especially phrased as a belief that applies to law enforcement personnel as a generic group, is a well established basis for a challenge for cause leading to exclusion of that person from being a juror. The US jury system is build explicitly on excluding these types of belief in juries in order to ensure fairness, impartiality, and individual and case/witness spec…

>The belief by a juror that law enforcement personnel, >excluding these types of belief You have not stated what belief you are talking about.

True, apparently I got backspace happy when Inposted the reply on mobile. I was talking about the belief by a perspective juror that law enforcement personnel are more credible or trustworthy than others due to their status as law enforcement personnel.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by AngryData »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #144
wvenable wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally doesn't matter -- you're focused on the wrong thing. She could be that woman's exact twin and it wouldn't matter. Spending six months in jail and losing your house, your car, and your dog with the flimsiest of evidence is ridiculous.

'you can beat the wrap but not the ride' has been a pop culture reference in the US since the 1940s. Our society wants/supports the ability for this to be inflicted at police/court whim on people.

I don't think society supports it as much as you are suggesting. Marijuana is still illegal despite 65% of the nation being in favor of rescheduling. Clearly our laws do not easily mirror what the population believes.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by drysine »

wvenable wrote: post #390
drysine wrote: post #381

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>if the cops (and other relevant personnel) gets it wrong, they should get served with the same injustices that they committed What if no one would want to work as a policemen and you end up alone against local gang?

What if the police force is the local gang?

There are plenty of westerns about it

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by spolitry »

throwaway17_17 wrote: post #396
PopAlongKid wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The belief by a juror that law enforcement personnel, >excluding these types of belief You have not stated what belief you are talking about.

True, apparently I got backspace happy when Inposted the reply on mobile. I was talking about the belief by a perspective juror that law enforcement personnel are more credible or trustworthy than others due to their status as law enforcement personnel.

This is not quite true. The rules of evidence state that law enforcement (official) testimony is more credible than civilian testimony. Officials have a wide exemption from hearsay objections, if the offfical was working at an official task at the time.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by tim-tday »

whack wrote: post #51

> According to the court documents, the Fargo detective working the case then looked at Lipps' social media accounts and Tennessee driver's license photo. In his charging document, the detective wrote that Lipps appeared to be the suspect based on facial features, body type and hairstyle and color. > Once they were in hand, Fargo police met with him and Lipps at the Cass County jail on Dec. 19. She had already been i…

The legal system has long treated a computer match as infallible. This has led to miscarriage of justice on a grand scale.
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