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If managers can't understand why this isn't a brag, then your job is hardly safe.
Managers jobs are more at risk than senior engineers. My company, and few others I know reduced the number of managers by 90% or more.
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Eating is also not really optional If you're going to spend a pretty good chunk of your lifetime eating, you might as well get good at it so you can enjoy the food you make
Do you want to eat good food or make good food? Is doing the dishes something you hand to a machine or do you always do it by hand? Are there any ingredients you buy pre-made (pesto, curry pastes, do you make your own panko breadcrumbs)?
Thread seems to be saying LLMs are great because they do the dirty work and leave the fun work to humans. The counter-point is not exactly that LLMs aren't capable of doing dirty-work, it's that the nature of work isn't going to split so cleanly.
And cooking is a good example. Cooking is work. And slop. And it's also incredibly rewarding and creative, if you want it to be. Robots can help along that entire journey.
Maybe this is the core point: "cooking is a solved problem" that's how engineers always think. Except it's not. And 100% automation is still not going to break that discussion so cleanly.
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Eating is also not really optional If you're going to spend a pretty good chunk of your lifetime eating, you might as well get good at it so you can enjoy the food you make
Do you want to eat good food or make good food? Is doing the dishes something you hand to a machine or do you always do it by hand? Are there any ingredients you buy pre-made (pesto, curry pastes, do you make your own panko breadcrumbs)?
No such incentive exists for building software
For me, the biggest shift is people who don't care about local AI. The idea that you can no longer code without paying a tax to one of the billion $ backed company isn't sitting well.
The marginal differences in quality seem pretty meaningful right now, enough to make Claude wildly dominant, but some of the locally runnable models like Qwen feel only a few months behind the leaders. I'm betting the generational gains level off and smaller local models close the gap somewhat. Then harnesses will generally be more important than model, and proprietary harnesses will not offer much more than optimiza…
But the biggest thing is going to be context. Whilst a 10gb card can run a 9b model with some context .. for coding you really want a lot of context.
So if paying 200 a year for 1T in context, vs your 32k context.. that's the thing I see as being the driver.
Personally ive found great success with using open code, having Opus as my plan agent, and omnicoder-9b as my build agent.
Get opus to plan, switch to omnicoder to build, switch back to opus to review. Etc etc.
Works great.
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Do you want to eat good food or make good food? Is doing the dishes something you hand to a machine or do you always do it by hand? Are there any ingredients you buy pre-made (pesto, curry pastes, do you make your own panko breadcrumbs)?
Aren't you proving the point that it's nuanced? Thread seems to be saying LLMs are great because they do the dirty work and leave the fun work to humans. The counter-point is not exactly that LLMs aren't capable of doing dirty-work, it's that the nature of work isn't going to split so cleanly. And cooking is a good example. Cooking is work. And slop. And it's also incredibly rewarding and creative, if you want it to…
> Maybe this is the core point: "cooking is a solved problem" that's how engineers always think.
But it isn’t, that’s a lazy stereotype of a subset.
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The two types of coder argument seems strong to me. Coders who love the art of programming (optimisation for the sake of it, beautiful designs, data structures...) and builders. The former are in for a rough time. The latter are massively enabled and no longer have to worry about smashing together libs by hand to make crud apps.
Imagine if your operating system or compiler were written by the sort of person that thinks " Coders who love the art of programming ... are in for a rough time. "
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Do you want to eat good food or make good food? Is doing the dishes something you hand to a machine or do you always do it by hand? Are there any ingredients you buy pre-made (pesto, curry pastes, do you make your own panko breadcrumbs)?
My point, which you seem to have missed, is that people have an intrinsic incentive to care about learning to cook because eating is something we have to do every single day regardless No such incentive exists for building software
People don’t only build software because they have to.
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The two types of coder argument seems strong to me. Coders who love the art of programming (optimisation for the sake of it, beautiful designs, data structures...) and builders. The former are in for a rough time. The latter are massively enabled and no longer have to worry about smashing together libs by hand to make crud apps.
Doordash has also enabled home cooks; they no longer have to worry about smashing together ingredients by hand to make dinner. They just prompt the app to make them the food they want. Doordash is the future of home cooking.
Doordash is more like paying someone else to code for you. Luckily that will soon be a thing of the past.
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The two types of coder argument seems strong to me. Coders who love the art of programming (optimisation for the sake of it, beautiful designs, data structures...) and builders. The former are in for a rough time. The latter are massively enabled and no longer have to worry about smashing together libs by hand to make crud apps.
"bvilders" right now its mostly people who want to build a substandard app and shill it everywhere.
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amidst this whole AI craze it's illuminating to learn how many programmers secretly hated programming all along
This is exactly how I feel. I knew it already to an extent from my time in college, but so many people come into this industry because they want to be able to produce the end product, or just have a stable job that makes good money. Neither of those are bad reasons to get into this profession, but it does make me sad how few peers I have who do programming because they're passionate about the act of programming. The…