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Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by ta9000 »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #92
mjr00 wrote: post #15

In my experience, tech employment is incredibly bimodal right now. Top candidates are commanding higher salaries than ever, but an "average" developer is going to have an extremely hard time finding a position. Contrary to what many say, I don't think it's simple as seniors are getting hired and juniors aren't. Juniors are still getting hired because they're still way cheaper and they're just as capable as using AI a…

I generally tend to interview every year to see what's out there in the world (sometimes I find something worth switching for, other times not). I'm not even looking very hard but have had 4 interviews in the last month. Personally I think it's a bit more nuanced than senior vs junior (though it is very hard for juniors right now). What I've seen a lot of hunger for is people with a track record of getting their hand…

Interviews are easy, offers are hard.

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by agentultra »

Good to know it’s not just me. Sheesh. Are there signs that it’ll bounce back again?

I’ve been looking for work for nearly seven months. I can write low level systems code in C and C++ to web applications in Python and compilers in Haskell. I have tons of industry experience.

Yet most places I apply to ghost me or follow up a month later that the position has been filled.

Companies that have been lying off people claim they are seeing record profits.

It seems like we went from a relatively stable growth to just chaos.

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by Frogeman »

As an employer it’s very very hard to actually discern who did CS as a prestige degree vs people who are actually into it.

Signal v noise ratio so much higher in hardware, nobody performatively studies mechanical engineering to make $60k in ohio.

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by collingreen »

dainiusse wrote: post #335
layer8 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm very much a "builder" type dev that has more fun going from 0-v1 than maintaining and expanding scalable, large systems. Maintaining and expanding is more challenging, which is why I’ve grown to prefer that. Greenfield and then leaving is too easy, you don’t learn the actually valuable lessons. As experience shows that projects won’t stay in the nice greenfield world, building them can feel like doing illusory…

Everyone can do 0 to 1. Because delivery drives dopamine. The it is the boring thing, but there comes experience to find interest in that part

This is news to me having watched many many many people fail to do 0 to 1.

Maybe you're just a really really good engineer and product thinking hybrid!

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by ares623 »

blobbers wrote: post #291

If anyone saw that LinkedIn post about someone at Block resigning guilt of being offered a raise and retention after the layoffs, I'd say that is a signal that tech is heading down. Most people would be thankful to have a secure well paying job in the post AI blow off; increasingly it's going to harder to differentiate yourself against anyone else using AI. That we have people still in the thick of AI that don't unde…

mmhmm. That's a lot of me me me. Are you reviewing others' work who produce the same output as you?

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by squidlogic »

schmichael wrote: post #272
jlhawn wrote: post #117

Here's the same post on Bluesky for those who prefer that platform: https://bsky.app/profile/josephpolitano.bsky.social/post/3mg...

Thank you! Could HN switch the links? bsky doesn't require a login to view replies. bsky is just a superior viewing experience.

If viewing replies is the goal, it looks like bsky has 2 replies and the twitter link has 45 replies. Do with that information what you will.

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by johnnyanmac »

fred_is_fred wrote: post #182
johnnyanmac wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a dozen different angles all coming out at once. I'll try to summarize some. - really wants to hire H1B, but needs to pretend to interview first for compliance. These usually have absurd requirements to make it viable to reject anyone. - really wants to do an internal or referral hire or promotion, but needs to interview for HR compliance. These usually have such specific requirements that only the person the…

Thanks for that. I have seen internal hire before or even "we know who we want but legal makes us post it for 7 days". The comp technique you mentioned though seems like a lot of work for price discovery, surely there are data sets out there?

It's probably not the most efficient means, no. Probably one of the cheapest methods, though. It's definitely not something you can get away with in a good job market.

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by truncate »

ambicapter wrote: post #114
crystal_revenge wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally tend to interview every year to see what's out there in the world (sometimes I find something worth switching for, other times not). I'm not even looking very hard but have had 4 interviews in the last month. Personally I think it's a bit more nuanced than senior vs junior (though it is very hard for juniors right now). What I've seen a lot of hunger for is people with a track record of getting their hand…

Shipping is only hard when you have to deal with all the loose ends "builders" leave lying around.

There is famous term for those: Tactical Tornados

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33394287

Re: Tech employment now significantly worse than the 2008 or 2020 recessions

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Post by causal »

hyperpape wrote: post #273
teagee wrote: post #10

The chart in the tweet represents year-on-year growth. Based on these figures alone the actual number of people employed in tech is still really high, and the numbers can't just go up forever. Also this only captures 6 industries, which is a narrow view of what would define "tech" these days. Not to say that the job market isn't tough but this graph is a very narrow view

Yes, but... The health of the market is not a function of the total number of jobs alone, it's a function of the number of jobs and the number of people to fill them. The number of total jobs going up year after year meant that there were increasing numbers of candidates, new people entering the field. If the job growth stops, then there still we be candidates coming in. There will also be the new hires from the last…

It shows growth or decline but it absolutely does not show what the title implies.
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