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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by jacquesm »

faramarz wrote: post #133
kubb wrote: post #25

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I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

It's less a revolution and more a matter of catching the tide of shifting world powers — and seizing a rare shot at building something other than the last failed experiment. New Iran, new experiment. You bet Iranians are euphoric right now. Some of the country's brightest intellectuals and political minds are sitting in Evin prison, and if all goes well, they're about to walk out and help shape what comes next. My da…

The last thing they should do is to import the Shah's exiled family member and make him their figurehead again. Both him and the mullahs are bad news.

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Post by CodinM »

icar wrote: post #315

In 1953, Iran was a secular and democratic country. They had elected a prime minister who decided to nationalize the oil industry. The US didn't like this and overthrew him. They imposed a brutal monarchical dictatorship. Popular discontent led to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The ayatollahs, to a large extent, existed because of US interference. The same is true for all the instability in the Middle East, entirely ma…

This is skimming over the important details, "democratic" is really stretching it.

I also liked the idea that oh look Iran was this liberal country and whatnot but unfortunately it's just not true.

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Post by littlestymaar »

I don't think anyone should shed a tear for Khamenei's death, but I'm not convinced the current trend of regime decapitation is setting the world in a desirable direction.

I'm convinced that with current technology (namely, drones) any half competent state actor can easily assassinate any world leader, and I wonder if the recent US actions aren't going to make the practice commonplace, with dramatic destabilization risks. (For instance think about Air Force One being shot down during landing by an FPV drone controlled over LTE from somewhere in South America by a Cuban intelligence officer).

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Post by danielxt »

jatari wrote: post #367
tejohnso wrote: post #52

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There would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn't mean it's reasonable, right, just, or civilized, nor would it indicate that it was a unanimously supported action.

The entire continent of europe would be celebrating.

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Post by jacquesm »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #97
pavlov wrote: post #41

The killings of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were so amazingly successful in stabilizing those countries that Americans keep repeating the pattern.

Not a killing, but capturing Noriega did in fact work out well. Panama of today is generally stable and rich (by Latam standards anyway).

Panama's main asset can't be removed from Panama.

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Post by mikkupikku »

p2detar wrote: post #382
mango7283 wrote: post #309

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The Americans had to occupy and place both Japan and West Germany under their military rule afterwards to make it stick, that's not a comparison

I disagree. After the bombing, the Emperor himself broadcasted a surrender message [0] to the people of Japan. The occupation was also for more lighter than in Germany. Japan had full control of its administration and its government continued to operate. In that context whether we like or not, it very much worked. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito_surrender_broadcast

Japanese army officers stormed the emperor's palace and placed him under house arrest in an attempt to prevent him from broadcasting that surrender message. This was after the second bomb, a whole lot of them still had fight left in them.

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Post by ignoramous »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #216
tim333 wrote: post #195

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People celebrating inside Iran too https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027840034150178952

That's very moving! I can't say many international developments have filled me with optimism the past couple years. I want so badly for this to pan out for Iranians.

> want so badly for this to pan out for Iranians

Badly? You seem a little obsessed. The few anti-regime Iranians (who live in Iran) I know do not want to get bombed into freedom & democracy. The Western hubris despite Iraq and Afghanistan is back in full force, I see.

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