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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

Altman is a snake who uses words purely instrumentally, and this is well known.

He basically takes advantage of people's limited memories and default assumption that when a person says something its honest.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#392

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

This is a actaully a government bailout of OpenAI. Investors gave it a bunch of money earlier knowing this was going to happen. Greg Brockman is a major Republican donor for 2026. Nice for OpenAI.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#393
It's great that people are taking a moral position re their work, and are seemingly prepared to take a bit of a risk in expressing themselves.

However, if we're honest, Google has a long history of selling 'the people' out on domestic surveillance. There is even a good argument that this is what it was created for in the first place, given it was seeded with money from inqtel, the CIA venture capital fund. So, while I commend acting with your conscience in this (rather minor) case, and I'm glad to see people attempt to draw a line somewhere, what will this really come to? I strongly suspect this is event itself is just theater for the masses, where corporates and their employees get to stand up to government (yay!). The reality is probably all that is being complained about, and far worse, has been going on for years.

How far would these signatories go? Would they be prepared to walk away from all that money? Will they stop the rest of the dystopian coding/legislation writing, or is that stuff still ok (not that evil)?

Ultimately, is gaining the money worth the loss of one's soul? If you know better, and know that it is wrong to assist corporations and governments in cleaving people open for profit and control, but do it anyway for the house, private schools, holidays, Ferrari, only taking a stand in these performative, semi-sanctioned events - is this really the standard you accept for yourself? If so, then no problem. If not, what exactly are you doing the rest of the time? Are you able to switch your morality/heart/soul off? Judge yourself. If you find you are not acting in accord with yourself, everything is already lost.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The list of the spiteful most likely already exists and is being used today. All these mass media have been weaponized by various bad actors. Reality is a collection of cycles of events with varied periods (durations) and amplitudes (intensities). Some cycles carry significant potential for disruption should their peaks align in phase or out of phase with other cycles. The current cycle will wind down and a new one w…

>Time keeps rolling on to infinity Tao Te Ching Thirty (partial, J.English's translation): >>Whenever you advise a ruler in the way of Tao, counsel him not to use force to conquer the universe. >>For this would only cause resistance. >>Thorn bushes spring up wherever the army has passed. >>Lean years follow in the wake of a great war. >>Just do what needs to be done. ---- Tao Te Ching Thirty-Six (Hogan's full transla…

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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#395

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

Remember when they removed him for not being consistently candid?

And then Microsoft forced him back in on the grounds of: he's a scumbag but he's our scumbag so he's untouchable

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#396

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

So all these OpenAI signers are resigning, or...?

Why only have the cake when you can eat it too

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#397

I'd prefer to see board (or executive) level signatories over lay employees -- the people who can enforce enterprise policy rather than just voice their opinions -- but this is encouraging to see nonetheless. I can't help but notice that Grok/X is not part of this initiative, though. I realize that frontier models are really coming from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, but it feels like someone is going to give in to t…

I don't think people get to those positions by having firm principles

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#398
post #366

Please take this question at face value. I tend to be slightly pro defense department in this context, but it is not a strongly held belief. What I have known is that since its very inception, Google has been doing massive amounts of business with the war department. What makes this particular contract different? I really am trying to understand why these sentiments now.

It's a clear enough moral issue that whichever side of it you end up on is likely to have life-shaping consequences 5 or 10 years down the line. It's predictable that there will be domestic or international conflict with a high cost in lives and political coherence over that timescale, and being someone who 'was in AI' at a government scale vendor is qualitatively different from being a database admin o font designer or UX specialist.

Substantively, individual employees of these firms may have little or no actual impact on this. But AI is ubiquitous enough and disruptive enough that being professionally connected with it at a time of great geopolitical instability has the potential to be a very very bad look later.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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post #381

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

This is not about wars or winning contracts. If you know about Sam's strategies - It's just business. This deal ensures Anthropic doesn't have the financial cushion that OpenAI desperately needs (they just raised billions, also trending on HN). Is it ethical? Probably not. But, all is fair in love and war (proverb).

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