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Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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The shapes of clouds and positions of stars are essentially random, and yet humans derive meaning from both. I agree you could have gotten the same results via /dev/random, or probably by increasing the temperature on the model, but I suspect doing one of those things is important.

The LLM cannot derive meaning in a human sense. The shapes of clouds and positions of stars aren't completely random; there is useful information in them, to varying degrees (e.g. some clouds do look like, say, a rabbit, enough that a majority of people will agree). The mechanism at play here with the LLM is completely different; the connection between two dog-inputs and the resulting game barely exists, if at all. M…

> If you could have gotten the same result with any input, or with /dev/random, then effectively no useful information was encoded in the input.

It's not that the input contained useful information—obviously it does not—it's that it's causing the output to be more random, and thus more "creative".

Without the gibberish, "generate a random game" would likely repeatedly surface high-probability concepts—platformers, space shooters, tower defense—whatever sits near the top of the model's prior distribution for "game." The gibberish causes the model to land on concepts like "frog" that it would almost never reach otherwise.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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> I don’t get what you’re doing here You said that a CEO was out of bounds for framing employees as numbers on a spreadsheet. To me this suggests that you believe company owners should care about the humanity of their workers. And I'm saying they don't.

I think by "they", Forgeties79 means me, the_af. I get the general point you're making. Indeed, Altman's take is capitalism taken to 11. There was a lot of that going on before AI or the past few decades, but I don't think it wasn't as extreme and for every company . There's definitely a conversation to be had about modern capitalism (and plenty of people studying it, too). However, not everything is a FAANG or tech…

> Sam Altman once joked (?) he wouldn't know how to raise his child without ChatGPT. Maybe he should ask ChatGPT how to behave more like a human? Or at least fake it?

Not to mention that was at a time when all kinds of wild suggestions like glue in pizza were coming out of ChatGPT’s sloppy outputs. There are so many little things that quickly become big things with kids, annd exhausted parents should absolutely not use LLM’s for sussing those things out.

I could easily see well-meaning parents looking for healthy snacks to make their kids accidentally feeding their baby fresh honey, for instance. Or asking how much water to give their infant and not realizing the answer is absolutely none unless they are severely dehydrated from an illness or something.

There are a lot of hazards for kids under 1 in particular that make me incredibly nervous to ever suggest exhausted parents use LLM’s to answer kid related questions. Recommendations also change relatively frequently so who knows if it’s even pulling on the most recent best practices.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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This is an extremely cute, cool and fun experiment. Kudos. That said, I wonder: does the dog input matter? It seems this is simply surfacing Claude's own encoded assumptions of what a game is (yes, the feedback loop, controls, etc, are all interesting parts of the experiment). How would this differ if instead of dog input, you simply plugged /dev/random into it? In other words, does the input to the system matter at…

Of course the dogs input matters, it matters to the fun of this project. Would’ve been way less fun otherwise.

I don't disagree actually. It is a fun project!

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Would you be completely at rest if you were not asked to produce stuff? Do you think AI replaces our hard thinking and our physical work? AI or not, I personally intend to keep thinking and my physical activity.

I don't do any moral judgement at all, and I also don't predict the future. I respond to "You are not causing more water to be used by asking a human to work on something.", because that statement is false. (Mental) work has an effect on the human metabolism.

I'm not judging, I'm telling you (a bit snarkily, true) that your brain activity won't stop with something else doing (a part of) your work. And this is the subtility that makes the statement true. Said overwise: sure, you consume marginally less at rest, but you won't be at rest, making the remark pointless.

Even if it were false, the difference in energy consumption is not significant, taking on acount what the AI uses, and also all the energy that you use to live (housing, heating, products and food you buy whose production uses energy, etc).

And about the water, it's even worse, even disregarding the AI: at rest, maybe you'll drink, I don't know, 1L less (that's a wild number!), compared to the 100(s) L that you use to cook, wash, clean, etc, not even counting the water used to produce stuff you buy.

But again, you won't do nothing. We are commenting on a post of a guy who was fired and couldn't help creating something. That's how we are. We hate boredom.

Worse: the way our societies are setup makes is so that ai, if it helps at all, likely won't free us from work, it will likely just make us collectively produce more garbage. That's more energy consumption, not less.

That "but don't forget humans consume a lot of energy too" argument is at best not connects to reality, more likely a Sam Altman lie and you shouldn't take it seriously.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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The future is so disappointing.

Serious question, outside of the Bay Area, are there therapists whose specialty is in catering to the needs and concerns of developers? Obviously AI therapy is not a serious suggestion here. This is going to be a burgeoning corner of the practice at the US' current trajectory.

If it is it shouldn’t be. There are more important needs for mental health support right now

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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I mean you get a random game in the authors example :) But in real life you do not want a random game. That's what I mean, you need the great scaffolding + exact requirements. Then the prompt to do the implementation does not matter too much.

Recent research has shown that specs actually degrade output, so I’m more inclined to think you’ve got the slot machine mentality mentioned up-thread.

Source?

Last I checked, specs improved output quality. There are hiccups with complex, difficult specs but I guess that much is obvious.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Your glib dismissal of the real effects of those technological upheavals shows you haven’t actually looked into this. You should probably tamp down that smugness until you find out.

Did you think about it before you got into the tech industry? You should have, technology has been wiping out jobs since forever but you got into tech anyway. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Except you needn't actually die, just walk into a staffing agency and ask for a new job. I have done so before, and will do so again. I have prepared for what is to come, saw it coming 20 years ago and saw the imminence of i…

Your argument boils down to good'ol trusty Inquisition trick called Guilt-tripping Over The Original Sin

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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> There are people who say that you should use a real artist instead of AI due to AI's water use. Nobody I know says this. In fact, I've never heard of this ever before, and I read artist and hobby communities pretty hostile to AI, but I never once read this nice strawman you've built. People say you should use a real artist instead of AI for a multitude of reasons: - Because they want to enjoy art created by humans.…

>Nobody I know says this. >I never once read this nice strawman you've built. The instance of it I found was in a YouTube comment section.

I’ve also seen people assert that the Earth is flat in YouTube comment sections so I wouldn’t let that color your view of what is considered “popular opinion.”
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