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FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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That is only true at the start. The quality will always be lower for a new product/ production line, because 1) it hasn't had the time to iterate that got the established, big-name producers to where they are, and 2) it democratizes the market to allow for lower-quality version that weren't fiscally feasible under a more complex (and thus expensive) manufacturing/ production base. But after the market normalizes, it…

Thus creating a concentration on which is the best personal Google clone and thus, creating another Google. Walled paywall and all. It’s a cycle. Free and open marketplace, crapware. Crapware for long enough, goodware. Goodware so good, it needs hardware, it needs integrations, it solves world hunger, but no one uses anything else anymore. No, the best are marketplaces that are open but moderated for quality.

Moderated by who? A company who owns the 'marketplace'/ app store? A government whose politicians get election money or favor companies that employ their constituents?

There is no such thing 'moderated for quality' when authority is at play, only 'moderated for control'.

Quality-first requires free association, which requires a free market.

Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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As the other person said, a LOT of github projects with medium-large contributor bases are extremely hostile to AI code contributions. Some of this is about 'slop' coding not being up to par. A lot of it is also about people making their github contributions part of their resume, and thus not wanting the 'devaluation' of their time investments by AI contributions.

This comment works a lot better without the scare quotes.

Not really. I have both AI-written code and self-written code on my Github.

I can pass a technical interview just fine to prove my abilities. I don't get into pissing contests with others about GH contribs or FOSS project badges.

If someone can't prove their skill at coding beside pointing to their Github, or if they think that code contribs are some kind of badge of honor, I tend to look down on them. Being anti-LLM just to maintain the special green-box-based internet points they've built up in their head to feel better, is worthy of at least 'scare quote' derision imo.

Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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I don’t think that follows, nor do I think it will keep improving indefinitely. It will certainly continue to improve for a while. We don’t need anything close to AGI to render the job “software engineer” as we know it today completely obsolete. Ever hear of a lorimer?

If it doesn't follow, why not? The other possibility is, as you say, progress slows down before its better than humans. But then how is it replacing them? How does a worse horse replace horses?

I said I don’t think it follows, and you certainly gave no support for the idea that it must follow. Logically speaking, it’s possible for improvements to continue indefinitely in specific domains, and never come close to AGI.

Progress in LLMs will not slow down before they are better at programming than humans. Not “better than humans.” Better at programming. Just like computers are better than humans at a whole bunch of other things.

Computers have gotten steadily better at adding and multiplying and yet there is no AGI or expectation thereof as a result.

Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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If it doesn't follow, why not? The other possibility is, as you say, progress slows down before its better than humans. But then how is it replacing them? How does a worse horse replace horses?

I said I don’t think it follows, and you certainly gave no support for the idea that it must follow. Logically speaking, it’s possible for improvements to continue indefinitely in specific domains, and never come close to AGI. Progress in LLMs will not slow down before they are better at programming than humans. Not “better than humans.” Better at programming . Just like computers are better than humans at a whole bu…

Either the AI can do better than humans at programming, or it can't. If I ask it to make an improved AI, or better tools for making an improved AI, and it can't do it, then at best it's matching human output.

All the current AI success is due to computers getting better at adding and multiplying. That's genuinely the core of how they work. The people who believe AGI is imminent believe the opposite of that last claim.

Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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I was personally surprised when the agent debugged kernel panics caused by its own code (many times by now). It just iterates from the stack traces and crash dumps. The nice part is that, when you do see that the code smells — you ask the agent to rework it, focusing on specific problems. This is just code, and you don't need to dance around, hoping that AI will spill some "magic" at you.

> The nice part is that, when you do see that the code smells — you ask the agent to rework it, focusing on specific problems. I think that is the crux of the problem. How do you know code smell if you don't write it, and you don't read it? I'm pretty confident the spdx header isn't correct even.

Above it was said, that in a code review, an expert would ask the author to "justify and rework". Clearly, people have always been capable producing code, that wasn't great, regardless if they read the code or not.

Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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I said I don’t think it follows, and you certainly gave no support for the idea that it must follow. Logically speaking, it’s possible for improvements to continue indefinitely in specific domains, and never come close to AGI. Progress in LLMs will not slow down before they are better at programming than humans. Not “better than humans.” Better at programming . Just like computers are better than humans at a whole bu…

Either the AI can do better than humans at programming, or it can't. If I ask it to make an improved AI, or better tools for making an improved AI, and it can't do it, then at best it's matching human output. All the current AI success is due to computers getting better at adding and multiplying. That's genuinely the core of how they work. The people who believe AGI is imminent believe the opposite of that last claim…

No one is talking about AGI in this thread except you, though. The post said nothing about it. It's an absolute non sequitur that you brought up yourself.

Re: FreeBSD doesn't have Wi-Fi driver for my old MacBook, so AI built one for me

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To be fair if you open up driver source code from the vendors themselves, it's often the same hell with magic numbers and lack of checks because "we know what the hardware will return". But you're right on the main point: AI writes C like a very confident junior who skipped memory safety lectures - it copies the style, but not the discipline. It works as long as you're on the "happy path", but debugging a kernel pani…

I was personally surprised when the agent debugged kernel panics caused by its own code (many times by now). It just iterates from the stack traces and crash dumps. The nice part is that, when you do see that the code smells — you ask the agent to rework it, focusing on specific problems. This is just code, and you don't need to dance around, hoping that AI will spill some "magic" at you.

Dumping panic traces to an agent works fine if it's just a vanilla page fault at an obvious address. But when your memory gets corrupted by some scuffed DMA sync or a race condition in an interrupt handler, the kernel panics a million clock cycles after the actual bug occurred. The dump is just pure garbage by then, and no LLM is going to untangle it because the root cause context literally isn't in the logs tbh
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