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Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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There aren't remote "drivers" in the Philippines, that's not how Fleet Response works. You can see how it works here if you're curious: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response but the TLDR is that they give the Waymo driver options in confusing situations (things like, you can go use this driveway on the side to pass this blocked traffic).

Directing the movements of a car is now “fleet response”, not “driving”. Give them a fucking innovation award or something.

If a passenger says to you, "go around this car by using that private driveway", are they driving the car?

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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> lol ok whatever Waymo's says is gospel and everything Tesla says is suspect, EDS in action. Get help. Given the history on this topic: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ It's not unreasonable to distrust anything Elon says, especially about Tesla/self driving.

Great source, some random guys website that hasn't been updated for 4 years.

You’re right, some random guy commenting on HN is a much better source.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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From an execution standpoint you can't work on experimental mobility due to path dependence. How are they going to convince municipal governments to open golf cart lanes? That would require solving two problems (autonomy and overcoming path dependence), and solving just one is hard enough. Once they saturate the market as it is with autonomous driving, then everything will change and opportunities to experiment will…

In the Midwest, golf carts are exactly what people use to get around in small towns. It's not unreasonable that neighborhoods might be closed to large vehicles and use other forms of transit within their boundaries.

Oh golf carts were awesome in small lake communities in PA. Was much better than driving cars down those narrow roads and made much more sense for shorter distances. Plus kids got more freedom since we were allowed to drive the carts well before we could get drivers licenses (Might not be good to be as lax in a larger city though)

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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FSD and Robotaxi are plenty of evidence vision only aren't viable.

Read Electrek articles with a mouthful of salt. Fred Lambert’s “robotaxi is 10x worse than a human” estimate is based on his personal statistical reasoning, which somehow arrived at 200,000 miles per accident for humans. Minor accidents that Tesla reports for robotaxis (such as low-speed collisions with stationary objects) do not make it into publicly available statistics, so his estimate might be significantly off.

Not a single waymo requires a "safety driver" and the self driving never disengages the way it does on Teslas.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Not for a very long time. Just think about how big of an advantage lidar and radar are at night or radar is in snow and rain? If Tesla had been smart they would have used regular cameras and event based cameras where the pixels send a signal whenever their brightness changes enough. These can have microsecond latency. And multi spectral cameras. Combined this data would provide very rich data for neural networks.

Sounds like you’re an expert. Do you work in the autonomous vehicle space? In what capacity?

I'm not an expert, just someone who understand how these technologies work. Sensor fusion is a fascinating thing.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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I know it's "illegal" and technically sold as FSD (assisted), but just 2 days ago I was in a friend's Model Y and it drove from work to my house (both in San Jose) without any steering wheel or pedal touch, at all. And he told me he went to Palm Springs like that too. I shit on Tesla and Elon on any opportunity, and it's a shame they basically have the software out there doing things when it probably shouldn't, but I…

Nice illusion of competence on easy conditions…Until it hits a person and Tesla EV performs far worse than the Waymo both during th crash and afterwards PR wise. Guarantee you Elon will throw the driver under the bus for not watching, not his sketchy system.

the driver and the pedestrian both

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Obviously there is a huge amount of money and effort being spent on automated driving. But I cannot help thinking that this perception technology will prove very useful for robotics in general, factory, home, in space, etc. Car dynamics are fast enough to be useful across a huge number of domains. In some sense, the visionaries in this space are not thinking big enough. I want visions of mobility with a totally diffe…

I’m imagining these vehicles on a sort of track, this way if the automation fails, it can still be guided. Also, the track could even potentially deliver power. The vehicle can be any number of connected pods.

I agree. The only wrinkle is that it's impractical to build a train line from my house to the train station.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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"leaving nothing to the imagination of a single lens." Nice dig at Tesla.

I hope this prods Tesla to up their game. I love my Teslas but if Waymo’s approach is shown to be truly better then I’d happily switch to a car that used their tech. For now I have no choice but to stick with the self-driving that’s available for personal cars. Hopefully Waymo works on licensing their tech for other manufacturers and expanding their geographical coverage.

"if Waymo’s approach is shown to be truly better"

Waymo's approach is proven to be better with every public fully autonomous ride they complete.

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Any evidence for this claim?

I don’t think you need evidence to understand it. I’d recommend listening to Andrej Karpathy talk about it. But I note that human drivers do not rely on LIDAR or radar or a high res map of the road.

Human eyes and vision system are so much better than current cameras and GPUs they aren't really comparable.

Also we should be aiming at creating autonomous driving systems that are SAFER than humans and this requires as many sensor modalities as possible. Vision + LIDAR + Radar + Sonar + terahertz Radar.

Terahertz radar is a very interesting new kind of radar. https://teradar.com/

Re: Beginning fully autonomous operations with the 6th-generation Waymo driver

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Are there any successful autonomous driving systems that don't use lidar? Sure, Wayve did some experiments with just radar + vision, but now incorporate lidar across their fleet. Waymo, Pony.ai, and WeRide have always used it. You can shout "you don't need it!" as loud as you like, but the people who are actually building and running these systems seem to disagree.

Except for everyone at Tesla.

Everyone at Tesla probably thinks they should use LiDAR but Musk doesn't want to so they don't. Just like so many people must have told Musk using stainless steel for the body of the cybertruck was a terrible idea and he did it anyway. Musk is deep in the "only talks with yes men" phase of being a billionaire.
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