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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by cindyllm »

squibonpig wrote: post #390
izacus wrote: post #119

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The whole idea about any superhero media is a special dude going on a violent spree because the authorities (in their eyes) can't do their job properly. The whole concept is anti-government and society as a whole.

Not at all. They have their roots in the projection of a defined moral trajectory that the superhero is charged to lift society along and the disagreement they have with the state is that it can't do that enough, not that it's going in the wrong direction. Modern superhero stories have completely inverted and fucked with and abandoned this narrative but the original stories were absolutely supportive of the state, fu…

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Post by bongoman42 »

frm88 wrote: post #306
Auracle wrote: post #302

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The US is very rural compared to Germany. If I had to drive to a post office for every package that would be a ridiculous hassle. Plus if the delivery try companies needed to hand it to people in person that’s going to take a lot more time, most of which will be completely wasted as people are at work. That means they’ll need a ton more delivery drivers, they’ll use a ton more gas, and our shipping rates will go up a…

I was specifically responding to: Do you live somewhere with high crime? My bad, should have quoted it. The post depot boxes are located every couple of kilometers, you could walk there. You can define the people allowed to receive your parcel, don't tell me you don't have at-home neighbours at all in your street/block. I prefer this to total neighbourhood surveillance and laws that work "just fine" except where they…

I don't even live in a super rural area, but if you think you could just walk a couple of kms in a couple of foot of snow to get something like a bookcase and bring it over is hilarious. Also, I would rather not receive packages for my neighbors, and I assume they wouldn't for me either. Ring works fine, I don't share the footage but I feel it is a cost of living in high crime regions.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by rpdillon »

seanhunter wrote: post #292
rpdillon wrote: post #265

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For fellow HN'ers reading this epically long back and forth: sig appears to be taking the more mainstream stance that Starship Troopers is satire. This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/ mrob is part of the coalition (that included many critics when the film w…

> This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB. Not "refuted", "disputed". If you "dispute" something you disagree with it. If you "refute" something you not only disagree with it but you conclusively prove you are correct. They certainly haven't done the latter. This word is very frequently used incorrectly. Sometimes on purpose by people (such as politici…

Yeah, I just looked at the tags for the genre on IMDB, and confirmed "Satire" wasn't there for Starship Troopers, but is there for other satires.

Thanks for the language lesson. You're of course correct, but "refute vs. dispute" isn't one of my language pet peeves (like "less vs. fewer" is), so thanks for the correction.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by rpdillon »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #280
rpdillon wrote: post #265

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For fellow HN'ers reading this epically long back and forth: sig appears to be taking the more mainstream stance that Starship Troopers is satire. This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/ mrob is part of the coalition (that included many critics when the film w…

What do people involved with the production of the film have to say about it?

The director intended to make a satire, but critics (and mrob) assert that he failed to do so.

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Post by ishouldstayaway »

slg wrote: post #29
mjr00 wrote: post #20

The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

It's hard to not become disillusioned with our industry when most of it is just the manifesting of that Torment Nexus tweet. It's like no one in the tech world actually understands any piece of fiction that they have ever consumed.

> It's like no one in the tech world actually understands any piece of fiction that they have ever consumed.

Of course they don't. Have you seen how common it is in tech circles to deride humanities education?

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Post by ishouldstayaway »

slg wrote: post #252
mrob wrote: post #247

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>The bugs have no technology. The bugs are shown firing projectiles to orbit. This is a setting with FTL travel; it's clearly not hard sci-fi. By the standard narrative conventions of soft sci-fi action movies, the bugs are capable of firing asteroids at Earth. >The true cause of the destruction is irrelevant It's critically important to the ethical justification for military response. According to the information ac…

I refuse to believe that you are actually engaging with the issues being discussed if you're claiming that needing a license to have children is "objectively more freedom in times of war than any real life society." Your stubbornness has bested my patience, so I'm done here.

Thanks for fighting the good fight in this thread. You had more patience than I would have.

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Post by aziaziazi »

mrob wrote: post #377
542354234235 wrote: post #342

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>There is a genuine existential risk The Mormon missionaries settled on a bug planet. Human's attempting to colonize worlds already inhabited and getting killed is not an existential risk or threat. Choosing to go and exterminate the local population in response is not defense. Assuming the Buenos Aires attack is from the bugs, it only happened after humans invaded multiple bug worlds. Since the bugs never seem to at…

>Choosing to go and exterminate the local population in response is not defense. The Mormons were not the United Citizen Federation, they were an independent group. The bugs indiscriminately attacked all humans in response. >exterminating the native population to make room The problem with this comparison is the bugs aren't humans. Extending human-like moral weight to even non-human mammals is a rare idea (most peopl…

Let me give others perpectives:

> Extending human-like moral weight to even non-human mammals is a rare idea

It's actually pretty frequent to demonstrate deep empathy and give more importance to pets that to unrelated humans. Some also argue that humans can be morally inferior to others. Drawing a line between human and non-humans may be tempting but the opinons down there are very diverse. Just a few years back and a common agreement would be "Extending white-like moral weight to even non-white..."

> most vegans don't care about the insects killed in farming

Of course they do! But found out it's the compromise with the lowest externalities. Most meat eater also don't like slaughterhouses but think it's a necessity.

> Extending it to literally alien bugs [...] is an incredibly niche idea

I bet if humanity do encounter alien bugs, this idea will be way more discussed. Moral is often somewhat put aside when engaging a fiction: Starship Troopers or Happy Tree Friends are perfect exemple. Most would's joke about that if that was real.

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Post by badpenny »

542354234235 wrote: post #341
badpenny wrote: post #336

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Slight digression and spoiler alert, but, IIRC, wasn't it a significant part of the plot that he wanted to be caught?

I'm going off memory, but I thought the library books led them to John Doe's apartment, something he was not planning for, and required him to change his plans somewhat. He did want to be caught, but not that soon, before he had finished his work, and required a hurried escape.

Ahh, okay. That makes sense.

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Post by toephu2 »

estimator7292 wrote: post #372
toephu2 wrote: post #132

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Lets take the current example of the famous kidnapping of the TV anchor's mother in AZ for example. If Arizona was blanketed in CCTVs, do you think this kidnapping would have happened? And if it still did happen, I'm 100% sure the suspects would have been caught by now (11th+ day since the disappearance now).

States with the death penalty still have murders. I think you fundamentally misunderstand crime and deterrence.

When did I say death penalty means no murders?

I didn't. Does a strict rule of law and enforcement of said law lead to no murders? No. Does it reduce the amount of murders that occur? Yes (see Singapore).

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