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Re: The Waymo World Model

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Post by schiffern »

tapoxi wrote: post #383
schiffern wrote: post #382

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What do you think I said that you're contradicting? IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. I'm comfortably with Tesla sparing no expense for safety, since I think we all (including Tesla) understand that this isn't the ultimate implementation. In fact, I think it wo…

I don't know if Tesla claiming they're doing something carries weight anymore.

Setting aside the anti-Tesla bias, none of what I said relies on Tesla claims. The "chase vehicle" claims are all based on third-party accounts from actual rideshare customers.

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Post by Hikikomori »

hijnksforall wrote: post #105
ChadNauseam wrote: post #90

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Whenever something like this comes out, it's a good moment to find people with no critical thinking skills who can safely be ignored. Driving a waymo like an RC car from the philippines? you can barely talk over zoom with someone in the philippines without bitrate and lag issues.

Hacker News has had some of the dumbest Tesla takes of all time. People should be embarrassed about some of the claims that were made here. And apparently some people still haven't caught on. Have a look if you don't believe me: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=custom&page=0&prefix=false...

Seems to be some ketamine on that boot.

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Post by [deleted] »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #376
Fricken wrote: post #364

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I don't know what he's on about. Here's a better list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashe...

Autopilot is the shitty lane assist. FSD is the SOTA neural net. Your link agrees with me: > two that NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigations determined as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD) after 2022.

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Post by SebastianSosa »

Very concerned with this direction of training “counterfactual events such as whether the Waymo Driver could have safely driven more confidently instead of yielding in a particular situation.” Seems dicey. This could lead in the direction to a less safe Waymo. Since the counterfactual will be generated, I suspect that that the generations will be biased towards survivor situations where most video footage in its training data will be from environments where people reacted well not those that ended in tragedy. Emboldening Waymo on generated best case data. THIS IS DANGEROUS!!!

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Post by nwienert »

nfg wrote: post #283
senordevnyc wrote: post #219

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I love Volvo, am considering buying one in a couple weeks actually, but they're doing nothing interesting in terms of ADAS, as far as I can tell. It seems like they're limited to adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, both of which have been solved problems for more than a decade. It sounds like they removed Lidar due to supplier issues and availability, not because they're trying to build self-driving cars and ha…

I’d suggest doing some research on software quality. Two years back I was all for buying one (I was considering an EX40), but I got myself into some Facebook groups for owners and was shocked at the dreadful reports of quality of the software and it completely put me off. I got an ID4 instead. Reports about the EX90 have been dreadful. I was very interested, and I still admire their look and build when they drive by…

Software is pretty solid as of latest release. EX90 is a sleeper pick now because of the bad press being behind the latest software.

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Post by xnx »

caycep wrote: post #365
xnx wrote: post #295

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No major US public transportation system is fully paid for by riders.

NYC congestion pricing seems to be working quite well though, and probably helps offset MTA costs.

NYC "congestion" pricing (actually cordon pricing) is a good idea. Would be great to see more road use fees proportional to use (distance, weight^3, etc.).

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Post by simondotau »

jasondigitized wrote: post #344
smeeth wrote: post #95

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I always understood this to be why Tesla started working on humanoid robots

I don't want a humanoid robot. I want a purpose built robot.

Obviously both will exist and compete with each other on the margins. The thing to appreciate is that our physical world is already built like an API for adult humans. Swinging doors, stairs, cupboards, benchtops. If you want a robot to traverse the space and be useful for more than one task, the humanoid form makes sense.

The key question is whether general purpose robots can outcompete on sheer economies of scale alone.

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Post by londons_explore »

mattlondon wrote: post #89

Suddenly all this focus on world models by Deep mind starts to make sense. I've never really thought of Waymo as a robot in the same way as e.g. a Boston Dynamics humanoid, but of course it is a robot of sorts. Google/Alphabet are so vertically integrated for AI when you think about it. Compare what they're doing - their own power generation , their own silicon, their own data centers, search Gmail YouTube Gemini wor…

Internal firewalls and poor management means that the vast majority of integration opportunities are missed.

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Post by raincole »

servo_sausage wrote: post #338
caycep wrote: post #265

All this work is impressive, but I'd rather have better trains

Trains need well behaved people, otherwise they are shit. I don't want to hear tiktok or full volume soap operas blasting at some deaf mouth breather. I don't want to be near loud chewing of smelly leftovers. I don't want to be begged for money, or interact with high or psychotic people. The current culture doesn't allow enforcement of social behaviour: so public transport will always be a miserable containment vesse…

Roads (cars) need well behave people too. The only way cars filter some of the out is by the price.

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Post by scarmig »

vinkelhake wrote: post #345
hungryhobbit wrote: post #325

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Please, Google was terrible about using the tech the had long before Sundar, back when Brin was in charge. Google Reader is a simple example: Googl had by far the most popular RSS reader, and they just threw it away. A single intern could have kept the whole thing running, and Google has literal billions, but they couldn't see the value in it. I mean, it's not like being able to see what a good portion of America is…

Is there an equivalent to Godwin's law wrt threads about Google and Google Reader? See also: any programming thread and Rust.

I'm convinced my last groan will be reading a thread about Google paper clipping the world, and someone will be moaning about Google Reader.
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