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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by saubeidl »

somenameforme wrote: post #389
saubeidl wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games. > They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ > "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the on…

Again I'd emphasize that you are trying to imply that deporting illegal aliens, something most of every single country on this planet engages in, leads to genocide. There'd rather be a whole lot more genocide were this the case. And this argument about the Nazis being subtle and just slowly indoctrinating society toward a grand scheme is complete disinformation. Hitler was bonkers and as far back as 1919 he was ranti…

Removing the Jews, yes.

Just like you're talking about removing the "illegals".

The ugly details of what said removal entails are slow-rolled in a spiral of normalization.

Again, initial talk was of deportation in the case of the Jews as well. The "final solution" was only introduced in '42, after consensus on removal had already been manufactured.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by [deleted] »

saubeidl wrote: post #391
somenameforme wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again I'd emphasize that you are trying to imply that deporting illegal aliens, something most of every single country on this planet engages in, leads to genocide. There'd rather be a whole lot more genocide were this the case. And this argument about the Nazis being subtle and just slowly indoctrinating society toward a grand scheme is complete disinformation. Hitler was bonkers and as far back as 1919 he was ranti…

Removing the Jews, yes. Just like you're talking about removing the "illegals". The ugly details of what said removal entails are slow-rolled in a spiral of normalization. Again, initial talk was of deportation in the case of the Jews as well. The "final solution" was only introduced in '42, after consensus on removal had already been manufactured.

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by direwolf20 »

mrtksn wrote: post #156
doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

What makes you believe that software engineers are against the stuff happening? This new movement is defined by male loneliness and other sad traits that are quite common among people whom life passes in front of a computer. Curtis Yarvin, one of the masterminds of this new age is a software developer himself. I would argue that whatever is happening now is part of the revenge of the nerds once the nerds remain unsat…

A focus on preserving order is a far liberal/far centrist thing, not fascist. Fascists would ban to achieve political goals and not to maintain order.

Major political groups:

Liberals/centrists - maintain order/decorum at all costs

Fascists - gain power at all costs, in groups of decreasing size

Libertarians - reduce taxes at all costs

Leftists - argue for an equal society but never get there

Conservatives - return to monke

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by somenameforme »

saubeidl wrote: post #391
somenameforme wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again I'd emphasize that you are trying to imply that deporting illegal aliens, something most of every single country on this planet engages in, leads to genocide. There'd rather be a whole lot more genocide were this the case. And this argument about the Nazis being subtle and just slowly indoctrinating society toward a grand scheme is complete disinformation. Hitler was bonkers and as far back as 1919 he was ranti…

Removing the Jews, yes. Just like you're talking about removing the "illegals". The ugly details of what said removal entails are slow-rolled in a spiral of normalization. Again, initial talk was of deportation in the case of the Jews as well. The "final solution" was only introduced in '42, after consensus on removal had already been manufactured.

Now your responses are just head in the sand stuff as you're saying stuff that's plainly untrue (unless I am lying, or incorrect - which I am not) based on the very comment you're responding to.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by Larrikin »

armadyl wrote: post #48
Larrikin wrote: post #35

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Do one better, block ads and give them false data on your profile using a solution like Ad Nauseam.

Ad Nauseam unironically gives ad networks massively more information and data points to track you than if you just straight up blocked the ads.

Do you have a source besides yourself?

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by mrtksn »

direwolf20 wrote: post #393
mrtksn wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you believe that software engineers are against the stuff happening? This new movement is defined by male loneliness and other sad traits that are quite common among people whom life passes in front of a computer. Curtis Yarvin, one of the masterminds of this new age is a software developer himself. I would argue that whatever is happening now is part of the revenge of the nerds once the nerds remain unsat…

A focus on preserving order is a far liberal/far centrist thing, not fascist. Fascists would ban to achieve political goals and not to maintain order. Major political groups: Liberals/centrists - maintain order/decorum at all costs Fascists - gain power at all costs, in groups of decreasing size Libertarians - reduce taxes at all costs Leftists - argue for an equal society but never get there Conservatives - return t…

Yeah, no. In centrist governments you don’t have a a secret police type law enforcement that go around and “enforce laws”(in quotes because only the laws they like, i.e. laws that say you can't be here without permission but not the laws that say you have certain rights rights) without trials etc by intimidation and executions, that is a fascist thing. In centrist governments the order isn't preserved at all costs, it is preserved within the framework with well defined procedures and that's why its often imperfect and slow and when it becomes too inefficient(i.e. too expensive and too slow to prosecuted a perceived criminal activity) the population may demand fascism as a solution.

Gaining power is at all cost as a fascist trait is a good point, Tech companies do that all the time too so techies are often accustomed with that.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by saubeidl »

somenameforme wrote: post #394
saubeidl wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing the Jews, yes. Just like you're talking about removing the "illegals". The ugly details of what said removal entails are slow-rolled in a spiral of normalization. Again, initial talk was of deportation in the case of the Jews as well. The "final solution" was only introduced in '42, after consensus on removal had already been manufactured.

Now your responses are just head in the sand stuff as you're saying stuff that's plainly untrue (unless I am lying, or incorrect - which I am not) based on the very comment you're responding to.

I would posit you are in fact incorrect. Whether it is on purpose or not (e.g. whether you're lying), I cannot say.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by Diti »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #137
Diti wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the sorry state the software industry is currently in, I’m not surprised that developers would sell their soul in exchange for the peace of mind of being able to pay rent and food. Working for those companies does not make people “do what they can to support racist agendas”.

> With the sorry state the software industry is currently in, I’m not surprised that developers would sell their soul in exchange for the peace of mind of being able to pay rent and food You really think adtech is the way to avoid starving on the street? There are a hell of a lot of jobs between entry level and adtech dev that could give you the same basic peace of mind.

No, there are ways to avoid working for adtech or tech support if you still have family or friends (I’m currently moving back to my parents’ place). But not everyone has this luck.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by nosianu »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #292
nosianu wrote: post #186

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Why do you choose that single example, which I said was just that, and pretend my whole statement hinges on it? You are either misinformed, willfully ignorant or lying, and I've had it with this discussion style. Yes, people who use "no one is illegal" do also say "no more borders". Not every single one, clearly humans are diverse, but your statement is just false. Here a UK example even combining the statements (as…

> Why do you choose that single example, which I said was just that Because we're looking for people saying borders should be completely opened. An example of people saying something else is irrelevant. > Yes, people who use "no one is illegal" do also say "no more borders". Ok but the conversation is about people saying the latter. It was you who brought the former into the conversation. > Here a UK example Which Br…

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by nosianu »

giaour wrote: post #213
nosianu wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you choose that single example, which I said was just that, and pretend my whole statement hinges on it? You are either misinformed, willfully ignorant or lying, and I've had it with this discussion style. Yes, people who use "no one is illegal" do also say "no more borders". Not every single one, clearly humans are diverse, but your statement is just false. Here a UK example even combining the statements (as…

Just because some people who say "no one is illegal" also say "no more borders," that does not automatically mean that the former implies the latter. If that were the case, we could paint everyone who agrees with Nick Fuentes on any point (including, in the extreme, "nice weather we're having today") as a antisemite. The old joke linking dietary choices to Nazism ("You know who else was a vegetarian? Hitler!") is mea…

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