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OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by DrewADesign »

dmix wrote: post #143
DrewADesign wrote: post #95

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I think a lot of people have been spoiled (beneficially) by using large, professionally-run SaaS services where your only serious security concerns were keeping your credentials secret, and mitigating the downstream effects of data breaches. I could see having a fundamentally different understanding of security having only experienced that. What people are talking about doing with OpenClaw I find absolutely insane.

> What people are talking about doing with OpenClaw I find absolutely insane. Based on their homepage the project is two months old and the guy described it as something he "hacked together over a weekend project" [1] and published it on github. So this is very much the Raspberry Pi crowd coming up with crazy ideas and most of them probably don't work well, but the potential excites them enough to dabble in risky are…

In my feeds, I’ve seen activity among several an-LLM-is-my-tech-lead-level newly tech-ish people, who are just plugging their lives into it and seeing what happens.

If this really was primarily tech savvy people prodding at the ecosystem, the top skill available, as of a few days ago, probably wouldn’t be a malware installer:

https://1password.com/blog/from-magic-to-malware-how-opencla...

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Post by recursive »

csomar wrote: post #185
yoyohello13 wrote: post #104

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I feel like I’m watching group psychosis where people are just following each other off a cliff. I think the promise of AI and the potential money involved override all self preservation instincts in some people. It would be fine if I could just ignore it, but they are infecting the entire industry.

Just like crypto this will also pass.

Maybe now "crypto" can go back to meaning cryptography.

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Post by recursive »

puszczyk wrote: post #379
FeteCommuniste wrote: post #57

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Hoping that LLMs go the way of the Metaverse.

Why? What don't you like about them?

Not who you asked, but I don't like the effect they have on people. People develop dependence on them at the cost of their own skills. I have two problems with that. A lot of their outputs are factually incorrect, but confidently stated. They project an air of trustworthiness seemingly more effectively than a used care salesman. My other problem is farther-looking. Once everyone is sufficiently hooked, and the enshittification begins, whoever is pulling the strings on these models will be able to silently direct public sentiment from under cover. People are increasingly outsourcing their own decisions to these machines.

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Post by acdha »

dmix wrote: post #144
ed_mercer wrote: post #133

The author is a bit extreme for expecting apple to have done something as complex as ooenclaw, not even OpenAI or Anthropic have really done it yet. However this does not excuse Apple to sit with their thumbs up their asses for all these years.

> However this does not excuse Apple to sit with their thumbs up their asses for all these years. They've been wildly successful for all of those years. They've never been in the novel software business. Siri though one could argue was neglected, but it was also neglected at Amazon Alexa and Google home stuff still sucks too (mostly because none of them made any money and most of their big ideas for voice assistants…

They haven’t been truly novel if you want to say that, for example, the Lisa was covering Xerox PARC ideas but I think you’d have to ignore a lot of significant work to say they didn’t substantially innovate in GUIs, personal assistants and handwriting recognition (Newton), touchscreen behavior (iPhone), etc.

The key thing is that they tend not to ship things which aren’t mature enough to be useful (Vision Pro and Apple Intelligence being cautionary tales about why) and voice assistants just aren’t doing a whole lot for anyone. Google and Amazon have been struggling to find a market, too, and it’s rare to find someone who uses those dramatically more than Apple users do Siri. I think most of the big advances need something close to AGI: if you can’t describe something in a short command, it’s usually much faster to use a device with a screen and a lot of the useful tasks need a level of security and reliability which requires actual reasoning to deliver.

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Post by andrei_says_ »

waffletower wrote: post #374
wiseowise wrote: post #338

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Being good at leetcode grinding isn’t the same as being a good product person.

iOS 26 is proof that many product managers at Apple need to find another calling. The usability enshittification in that release is severe and embarrassing.

Or maybe, while being as good as they are at their jobs, they were forced to follow a broken vision with a non-negotiable release date.

And simply chose to keep their jobs.

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Post by andrei_says_ »

ineedasername wrote: post #363
blks wrote: post #277

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Do you want people being able to command your phone without unblocking? Maybe what you want is to disable phone blocking all together

I want a voice control experience that is functional. I don't want every bad thing that could happen-- especially those that will only happen if I'm careless to begin with-- circumscribing an ever shrinking range, often justified by contrived examples and/or for things much more easily accomplished through other methods.

That would be very useful but is not a trivial problem.

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Post by nilamo »

snailmailman wrote: post #238
nilamo wrote: post #171

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I hope so. We're right on the cusp of having computers that actually are everything we ever wanted them to be, ever since scifi started describing devices that could do things for us. There's just a few pesky details left to iron out (who pays for it, insane power demand, opaque models, non-existent security, etc etc). Things actually can "do what I mean, not what I say", now. Truly fascinating to see develop.

Ah yes. “Non-existent security” is only a pesky detail that will surely be ironed out. It’s not a critical flaw in the entirety of the LLM ecosystem that now the computers themselves can be tricked into doing things by asking in just the right way. Anything in the context might be a prompt injection attack, and there isn’t really any reliable solution to that but let’s hook everything up to it, and also give it the t…

Yes, there are some flaws. The first airplanes also had some flaws, and crashed more often than they didn't. That doesn't change how incredible it is, while it's improving.

Maybe, just maybe, this thing that was, until recently, just research papers, is not actually a finished product right now? Incredibly hot take, I know.

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Post by ge96 »

treetalker wrote: post #167
crazygringo wrote: post #10

> This is exactly what Apple Intelligence should have been... They could have shipped an agentic AI that actually automated your computer instead of summarizing your notifications. Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes, respond to emails, or manage your calendar by actually using your apps, not through some brittle API layer that breaks every update. And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Becaus…

>> Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes Imagine if the government would just tell everyone how much they owed and obviated the need for effing literal artificial intelligence to get taxes done! >> respond to emails If we have an AI that can respond properly to emails, then the email doesn't need to be sent in the first place. (Indeed, many do not need to be sent nowadays either!)

But the lobbyists

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Post by thewhitetulip »

recursive wrote: post #393
puszczyk wrote: post #379

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Why? What don't you like about them?

Not who you asked, but I don't like the effect they have on people. People develop dependence on them at the cost of their own skills. I have two problems with that. A lot of their outputs are factually incorrect, but confidently stated. They project an air of trustworthiness seemingly more effectively than a used care salesman. My other problem is farther-looking. Once everyone is sufficiently hooked, and the enshit…

exactly. People are blindly dumping everything into LLMs. A few years into the future, will we have Sr or Staff enggs who can fix things themselves? What happens when claude has an outage and there is a prod issue?!

PRs these days are all AI slop.

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