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Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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> It terms of harm current laws on drugs fail everyone but teetotaller who want everyone else to have a miserable life too. You think teetotallers have miserables lives? Come on.

There's a conservation of excitement for each human. If someone's life was exciting but then it got boring, unless they do a shit ton of work on themselves, they're gonna have to find that excitement somehow. We see this with Hollywood actresses who shoplift when they have more than enough money to buy the things they stole.

Even after Stranger Things, Winona can't live that one down.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Porn has driven just about every bit of progress on the internet, I don't see why AI would be the exception to that rule.

yeah linus was beating it constantly to porn while developing the linux kernal. its proven fact. every oss project that runs the internet was done the same way, sure.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of those were true.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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> Repeal the laws and I'm sure there will be tons of startups to profit off of drug addiction. Worked for gambling. (Not saying this as a message of support. I think legalizing/normalizing easy app-based gambling was a huge mistake and is going to have an increasingly disastrous social impact).

Why do you think it will be increasingly bad? It seems to me like it’s already as bad as it’s capable of getting.

It's only been 8 years, the addicts lives and those they touch can keep getting worse until their death.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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> Repeal the laws and I'm sure there will be tons of startups to profit off of drug addiction. Worked for gambling. (Not saying this as a message of support. I think legalizing/normalizing easy app-based gambling was a huge mistake and is going to have an increasingly disastrous social impact).

Why do you think it will be increasingly bad? It seems to me like it’s already as bad as it’s capable of getting.

Because it's still relatively new. Gambling's been around forever, and so has addiction. What hasn't been around is gambling your life away on the same device(s) you do everything else in today's modern society on. If you had an unlimited supply of whatever monkey is on your back, right at your fingertips, you'd be dead before the week is out from an overdose. It's the normalization of this level of access to gambling which gives me great fear for the future. Giving drugs to minors is a bigger crime than to adults for a reason. Without regulation and strong cultural push back, it's gonna get way worse, unless we make huge leaps in addiction treatment (which I am hopeful for. GLP-1s aren't yet scientifically proven to help with that, but there's a large body of anecdotal evidence to suggest it does.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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Have you ever stopped to realize that, from the Victorian’s point of view, they have been proven completely right about what would happen if ladies started showing their ankles?

They were right. We have largely had 200 years of socially and legally enforced morality being eroded with the conservatives saying "If you remove X then Y and Z will happen!". The liberals saying "Why do you care anyways? That's a slippery slope it won't happen!". The the conservatives immediately being proven right, but no one is willing to walk back on liberalization of moral issues since too many like hedonism.

That only assumes that nothing else changed in society at the same time. Is all this happening because men saw some ankles? Or is it a symptom of other changes in society (like more individual freedoms and rights, more education, etc)

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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I am using my claude pro plan for at least 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, to maintain a medium-sized codebase, and my total weekly usage is something like 25% of my limit. What the hell are people doing that burns through that token limit so fast?

The other day I asked CC to plan using Opus a few small updates to a FastAPI backend & corresponding UI updates for a nextJS frontend. Then I had it implement using Sonnet. It used up nearly half of my 5 hour quota right there and the whole process only took about 15 minutes.

This is on the pro ($100/mo) plan?

I go through multiple sessions like this per day and it barely makes a dent. And I just keep it in Opus the whole time.

How is it possible that our experiences are so different with essentially the same task?

For reference, my current squeeze is about 30k sloc in Python, half being tests.

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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...sorry, I'm dense apparently, what did they predict vs what happened?

The Victorians were accidentally right about ankles, which is funny in hindsight. Once one arbitrary rule breaks, people start noticing the rest are kind of fake too, and it turns out "modesty" was load-bearing for a whole governance model. Ankles -> knees -> jazz -> voting -> rock -> no-fault divorce -> Tinder -> polyamory discourse on airplanes. it's a joke, but also sort of how cultural change actually propagates.…

On the other hand (based on memory of research I did many years ago), in societies where nudity is common (e.g. African tribes where at least breasts are usually visible), there is a much lower rate of sex-related problems (sexual assault, etc)

Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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It’s interesting that many comments mention switching back to Claude. I’m on the opposite end, as I’ve been quite happy with ChatGPT recently. Anthropic clearly changed something after December last year. My Pro plan is barely usable now, even when using only Sonnet. I frequently hit the weekly limit, which never happened before. In contrast, ChatGPT has been very generous with usage on their plan. Another pattern I’…

> Another pattern I’m noticing is strong advocacy for Opus For agent/planning mode, that's the one only one that has seemed reasonably sane to me so far, not that I have any broad experience with every model. Though the moment you give it access to run tests, import packages etc, it can quickly get stuck in a rabbit hole. It tries to run a test and then "&& sleep" on mac, sleep does not exist, so it interprets that a…

> It tries to run a test and then "&& sleep" on mac, sleep does not exist

  > type sleep
  > sleep is /bin/sleep
What’s going on on your computer?

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Re: Retiring GPT-4o, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.1 mini, and OpenAI o4-mini in ChatGPT

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I've been impressed by how good ChatGPT is at getting the right context old conversations. When I ask simple programming questions in a new conversation it can generally figure out which project I'm going to apply it to, and write examples catered to those projects. I feel that it also makes the responses a bit more warm and personal.

ChatGPT is what work pays for so it's what I've used. I find it grossly verbose and obsequious, but you can find useful nuggets in the vomit it produces.

Go into your user settings -> personalisation. They’ve recently added dropdowns to tune its responses. I’ve set mine to “candid, less warm” and it’s gotten a lot more to-the-point in its responses.
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