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This is a actual prompt in the video: "What are the papers in the literature that are most relevant to this draft and that I should consider citing?" They probably wanted: "... that I should read?" So that this is at least marketed to be more than a fake-paper generation tool.

You can tell that they consulted 0 scientists to verify the clearly AI-written draft of this video.

The target audience of this tool is not academics; it's OpenAI investors.

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post #32

From my perspective as a journal editor and a reviewer these kinds of tools cause many more problems than they actually solve. They make the 'barrier to entry' for submitting vibed semi-plausible journal articles much lower, which I understand some may see as a benefit. The drawback is that scientific editors and reviewers provide those services for free, as a community benefit. One example was a submission their und…

If I may be the Devil's advocate, I'm not sure I fully agree with "The hard part always has been, and always will be, understanding the research context (what's been published before) and producing novel and interesting work (the underlying research)". Plenty of researchers hate writing and will only do it at gunpoint. Or rather, delegate it all to their underlings. I don't see an issue with generative writing in pri…

I am a rather slow writer who certainly might benefit from something like Prism.

A good tool would encourage me, help me while I am writing, and maybe set up barriers that keep me from taking shortcuts (e.g. pushing me to re-read the relevant paragraphs of a paper that I cite).

Prism does none of these things - instead it pushes me towards sloppy practices, such as sprinkling citations between claims. Why won't ChatGPT tell me how to build a bomb but Prism will happily fabricate fake experimental results for me?

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#393

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>Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? Have you ever seen the comment section of a Snowden thread here? A lot of users here call for Snowden to be jailed, call him a russian asset, play down the reports etc. These are either NSA sock puppet accounts or they won't bite the hand that feeds them (employees of companies willing to breach their users trust). Edit…

Him being (or best case becoming) a russian asset turned out to be true

Truth is truth, no matter the source.

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post #330

This is going to be the concrete block which finally breaks the back of the academic peer review system, i.e. it's going to be a DDoS attack on a system which didn't even handle the load before LLMs. Maybe we'll need to go back to some sort of proof-of-work system, i.e. only accepting physical mailed copies of manuscripts, possibly hand-written...

I tried Prism, but it's actually a lot more work than just using claude code. The latter allows you to "vibe code" your paper with no manual interaction, while Prism actually requires you review every change.

I actually think Prism promotes a much more responsible approach to AI writing than "copying from chatgpt" or the likes.

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#395

The state of publishing in academic was already a dumpster fire, why lower the friction farther? It’s not like writing was the hard part. Give it two years max we will see hallucination citing hallucination, independent repeatability out the window

That's one scenario, but I also see a potential scenario where this integration makes it easier to manage the full "chain of evidence" for claimed results, as well as replication studies and discovered issues, in order to then make it easier to invalidate results recursively. At the end of the day, it's all about the incentives. Can we have a world where we incentivize finding the truth rather than just publishing an…

Possibly, but 1 I am concerned that the current LLM AI is not thinking critically, just auto completing in a way that looks like thinking. 2 current AI rollout is incentivised for market capture not honest work.

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I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out [1]. Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? This is especially jarring at a time where the US is burning its political good-will at unprecedented rate (at least unprece…

Sorry, did you read this https://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2018/12/14/SJWJS.html?

I personally associate Prism with [Silverlight - Composite Web Apps With Prism](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/msdn-magazine/2009...) due to personal reasons I don't want to talk about ;))

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#397
post #44

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I'm curious how it compares to Overleaf in terms of features? Putting aside the AI aspect entirely, I'm simply curious if this is a viable Overleaf competitor -- especially since it's free. I do self-host Overleaf which is annoying but ultimately doable if you don't want to pay the $21/mo (!). I do have to wonder for how long it will be free or even supported, though. On the one hand, remote LaTeX compiling gets expe…

Overleaf is a little curious to me. What's the point? Just install LaTeX. Claude is very good at manipulating LaTeX documents and I've found it effective at fixing up layouts for me.

"Just install LaTeX" is really not a valid response when the LaTeX toolchain is a genuine nightmare to work with. I could do it but still use Overleaf. Managing that locally is just not worth it.

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The LLMs does assist the adept researchers in crafting their manuscript, but I do not think it makes the quality much better. My objection is not that they are the "wrong people". They are just regular people with excellent tools but not necessarily great scientific ideas. Yes, it was easier to trash the crank's work before based on their unLaTeXed diagrams. Now, they might have a very professional looking diagram, b…

The democratization is mostly in allowing people from outside the field with mediocre mathematical ideas to finally put them to paper and submit them to mediocre journals. And occasionally it might help a modern day Ramanujan with "exceptional mathematical insights" and a highly unconventional background to not have his work dismissed as that of a crank. Yes, most people with exceptional mathematical insights can typ…

It would indeed be nice if there were a mechanism to find people like Ramanujan who have excellent insights but cannot communicate them effectively.

But LLMs are not really helping. With all the beautifully typeset papers with immaculate prose, Ramanujan's papers are going to be buried deeper!

To some extent, I agree with you that it is a "discrimination by proxy", especially with the typesetting example. But you could think of examples where cranks could very easily fool themselves into thinking that they understand the essence of the material without understanding the details. E.g, [I understand fluid dynamics very well. No, I don't need to work out the differential equations. AI can do the bean counting for me.]

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#399

I'm dumbfounded they chose the name of the infamous NSA mass surveillance program revealed by Snowden in 2013. And even more so that there is just one other comment among 320 pointing this out [1]. Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? This is especially jarring at a time where the US is burning its political good-will at unprecedented rate (at least unprece…

That’s funny af

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#400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Has the technical and scientific community in the US already forgotten this huge breach of trust? Have you ever seen the comment section of a Snowden thread here? A lot of users here call for Snowden to be jailed, call him a russian asset, play down the reports etc. These are either NSA sock puppet accounts or they won't bite the hand that feeds them (employees of companies willing to breach their users trust). Edit…

Him being (or best case becoming) a russian asset turned out to be true

He could have been a Chinese asset, but CCP is a coward.
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