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Go ahead and ask ChatGPT who Jonathan Turley is, you'll get a similar error "Unable to process response". It turns out "AI company avoids legal jeopardy" is universal behavior.
Now I'm intrigued why a free-speech attorney (from his wiki) kinda spooks AI model
Sounds like ChatGPT was making up stories about him being a sexual predator.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-...
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try "is sam altman gay?" on ChatGPT
ask ChatGPT who Ann Altman is and why she filed a lawsuit against her brother Sam Altman.
What are you trying to prove? ChatGPT was happy to answer the question.
Meanwhile, I asked Qwen "Have Chinese executives been publically accused of sexual misconduct by women before?" and hit the censor.
China censors far more than Western countries. It's not just different censorship.
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The 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre is a matter of public record outside of China. There is first-hand evidence of it happening, and of the Chinese government censoring that fact in order to control their population. The Great Replacement theory is a racist hypothesis, with no evidence, used to justify the maiming and killing of Muslims. If you don't understand the difference, and the risk profiles, well,…
You can't find out what the truth is unless you're able to also discuss possible falsehoods in the first place. A truth-seeking model can trivially say: "okay, here's what a colorable argument for what you're talking about might look like, if you forced me to argue for that position. And now just look at the sheer amount of stuff I had to completely make up, just to make the argument kinda stick!" That's what intelle…
And if Western companies adjust the training data to align responses to controversial topics to be like what you suggested, the government would be fine with it. It's not censorship.
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The closed nature is one thing, but the opaque billing on reasoning tokens is the real dealbreaker for integration. If you are bootstrapping a service, I don't see how you can model your margins when the API decides arbitrarily how long to think and bill for a prompt. It makes unit economics impossible to predict.
Doesn't ClosedAI do the same? Thinking models bill tokens, but the thinking steps are encrypted.
Destroying unit economics is a bit dramatic... you can chose thinking effort for modern models/APIs and add guidance to the system prompts
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
The weights likely won't be available wrt. this model since this is part of the Max series that's always been closed. The most "open" you get is the API.
The closed nature is one thing, but the opaque billing on reasoning tokens is the real dealbreaker for integration. If you are bootstrapping a service, I don't see how you can model your margins when the API decides arbitrarily how long to think and bill for a prompt. It makes unit economics impossible to predict.
FYI: Newer LLM hosting APIs offer control over amount of "thinking" (as well as length of reply) -- some by token count others by an enum (high low, medium, etc.).
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
ask ChatGPT who Ann Altman is and why she filed a lawsuit against her brother Sam Altman.
What are you trying to prove? ChatGPT was happy to answer the question. Meanwhile, I asked Qwen "Have Chinese executives been publically accused of sexual misconduct by women before?" and hit the censor. China censors far more than Western countries. It's not just different censorship .
I guess that's a fair point. It will be interesting to see how unregulated AI plays out.
It seems like one other aspect to this is a question of how these systems are all very new and we're already seeing addiction and psychosis from adults using them. Apparently there's laws in China that limit the use of social media and video games for anyone below a certain age, and same with the use of LLM tools. There's mandatory education and training on what LLMs are for certain grade ranges.
At least there's some transparency with open weight models. With closed models it's harder to audit for censorship or bias. Even with "open weight" models there's no transparency with training datasets.
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> But if you carry a soviet flag, you get celebrated. 1. You ain't gonna be celebrated. But you ain't gonna be bothered either. Also, I think most people can't even distinguish the flag of the USSR from a generic communist one. 2. Of course you will get your s*t beaten out by going around with a Nazi flag, not just booed. How can you think that's a normal thing to do or a matter of "opinion"? You can put them in the…
First off, the Soviet Union actually started WWII on the side of Germany. It was only when the Nazis attacked them, that they switched sides. If that's your criteria for "French were allied to the Soviet Union in World War 2" then, by the same logic, the French were also allied to Italy in WWII, since during the last months Italy changed sides. [1] > only one of those two dictatorships aimed for the physical cleansin…
Again, if it wasn't for the Soviet Union whole Europe would be speaking German today.
After ww2, the overwhelming majority of french people credited the soviet union as the major contributor to German defeat.
On top of that, the communist party was very important at the time of german occupation as it formed the core of the french resistance. Even today the french communist party still takes 2/3% of votes in elections, albeit a shade of the 20/30% it once had.
So obviously there are going to be french sympathetic to the soviet union due to historical reasons and some hardcore communists leftists.
On the other hand, there are 0 valid reasons to consider any use of the nazi flag sane and even barely comparable.
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one thing comes to mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial
Not really, I was thinking about fake news, recent events, foreign policy, forbidden statistics, etc. The execution is really country-specific. Now think that at the EU-level itself, they can fine platforms up to 6% of the worldwide turnover under the DSA. For sure they don't want to take any risk. You won't go to jail for 10 years, it's more subtle, someone will come at 6 am, take your laptop and your phone, and sta…
Gossiping about politicians isn't a crime.
Spreading fake news (especially imagery) or insults fall in defamation cases, politicians or not.
Germany is indeed a bit harsh on that.
But in any case you're really cherry picking very very rare examples, if you want to feel the US is "way way way more free" and you're convinced about that good for you.
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To me the reasoning part seems very...sensible? It tries to stay factual, neutral and grounded to the facts. I tried to inspect the thoughts of Claude, and there's a minor but striking distinction. Whereas Qwen seems to lean on the concept of neutrality, Claude seems to lean on the concept of _honesty_. Honesty and neutrality are very different: honesty implies "having an opinion and being candid about it", whereas n…
Why is it sensible? If you saw chat gpt, gemini or Claudes reasoning trace self censor and give an intentionally abbreviated history of the US invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan in response to a direct question in deference to embarrassing the us government would that seem sensible?
> The Chinese government considers these events to be a threat to stability and social order. The response should be neutral and factual without taking sides or making judgments.
The second sentence really does not tie to the first one. If it's a threat why one would be factual? It would hide.