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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by hermanzegerman »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #384
hermanzegerman wrote: post #382

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If you really believe that Congressmen in the US thought they were subsidizing foreign nations while their own citizens suffer out of their goodness of their hearts, and not because some Lobbyists donated huge sums to their campaigns and "convinced" them in some meetings, Boy I do have a Bridge to sell you. American Politicians are really famous worldwide for being selfless, defending other nations interests to the d…

The lobbyists probably said something like "it is good for drug companies to make profits so they can innovate new drugs for global benefit". Same way the defense companies probably said something like "it is good to deter Russia so that Europe can remain free and democratic". Hilarious, isn't it? Anyways shouldn't you get back to work so you can afford all the new weapons you're going to have to buy? "American Polit…

* Well yes, we did that for you guys for 80 years after WW2, a very peaceful and prosperous period for Europe by historical standards. We got nothing but hate and laughter for it We got nothing but hate and laughter for it*

You're either very stupid believing that the American Engagement in Europe was just charity or just a very good troll.

I guess Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran (pre-Mullahs) and other countries that were gifted with democracy were also other selfless endeavours by the Americans.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by timeon »

culi wrote: post #351
timeon wrote: post #207

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Seems to be US-hosted.

What makes you say that? It was explicitly created as an EU alternative to HN by a person from the Netherlands. They posted about it on HN a few days ago. I haven't found anything public about where its hosted

https://hosting-checker.net/websites/techposts.eu

or:

whois "$(ping -c 1 techposts.eu | awk -F'[()]' '/PING/{print $2}')"

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by kuon »

gtirloni wrote: post #119
kuon wrote: post #79

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I might get lower salary, but if I break my leg I pay nothing and I am paid during my leave.

I doubt you break your leg every year though. The kind of companies that we're talking about (big tech that are national champions) offers health insurance (among other benefits) and 200-500k USD/year salaries. I think culture and quality of life not withstanding, the raw numbers simply don't favor the EU becoming a tech leader with the current incentives.

I really don't see money as an incentive. Political and economic stability of the whole country is much more important. Of course you need enough to afford food and roof, but after that, I'm not chasing it.

I'm a freelance, and I take fun jobs, not jobs that pay well.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #391
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lobbyists probably said something like "it is good for drug companies to make profits so they can innovate new drugs for global benefit". Same way the defense companies probably said something like "it is good to deter Russia so that Europe can remain free and democratic". Hilarious, isn't it? Anyways shouldn't you get back to work so you can afford all the new weapons you're going to have to buy? "American Polit…

* Well yes, we did that for you guys for 80 years after WW2, a very peaceful and prosperous period for Europe by historical standards. We got nothing but hate and laughter for it We got nothing but hate and laughter for it* You're either very stupid believing that the American Engagement in Europe was just charity or just a very good troll. I guess Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran (pre-Mullahs) and other countries th…

"You're either very stupid believing that the American Engagement in Europe was just charity or just a very good troll."

Europeans always imply that NATO is some sort of vast American conspiracy. But they are hardly ever able to give compelling examples of American benefit. The US benefit from NATO always remains a sort of esoteric wisdom which is mysteriously beyond the grasp of the average American. I suppose if we were more educated on European geography trivia, like you guys, that might help us understand why the US needs NATO so badly.

"Vietnam"

Yes, that was seen as analogous to another very recent war in Korea. If it wasn't for us, the state known as "North Korea" would cover the entire peninsula.

"Iraq"

One of the worst dictators in history, that Saddam Hussein. Europeans laughed at us for our opposition to him. It's why we now have little interest in opposing Putin, who is a herbivore by comparison.

"Afghanistan"

Depending on who you ask, we are either imperialists for displacing the Taliban, or complicit for allowing them to displace us right back. Typical double-bind.

"Iran"

You mean the country which is at this very moment crying out for American intervention, asking the Americans to protect protesters? It's fascinating to me how certain Europeans can simultaneously beg the US for protection, and also assume that the US must be up to no good in other countries where the US gets begged for protection.

Hopefully you can see why I support Massie's bill to withdraw the US from NATO at this point. I'm tired of it all. I want a Swiss foreign policy for the US. Do you also support Massie's bill? Maybe that's something we can agree on.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by timeon »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #256

What are some non-subjective reasons to use Euro alternatives? It reminds me of startup founders having to choose between the big expensive service or their buddy’s startup that intends to serve the same use case.

Legal one? Cloud Act is not compatible with GDPR.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by timeon »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #199
bildung wrote: post #139

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People in the US need to become more aware of the dramatic impact this current administration has on the world. A paper in the Lancet, not exactly your average leftie rag, extrapolates the deaths resulting from the sudden USAID defunding to amount to about 14 million people. That's about 10x Pol Pot. People around the world distancing themselves from these actions is hardly nationalism. https://www.thelancet.com/jour…

I'm sorry, my cognitive bias says 'Look! See! That proves my point at how great the US is/was.' 1 bad politician elected by a fraction of the population is enough to turn the world against us. Why bother with such altruism when a single election can turn everyone against us?

> 1 bad politician elected by a fraction of the population is enough to turn the world against us. Why bother with such altruism when a single election can turn everyone against us?

I get your pain but are you expecting other countries just to take hit?

Should EU lift sanctions with Russia as well? You know "1 bad politician elected by a fraction of the population".

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by ragall »

lostmsu wrote: post #390
ragall wrote: post #274

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Numbeo shows averages, and the basket of goods that it considers is not what a well-off person would buy. I Zurich I could live perfectly well without having a car, just with public transportation, and French and Italian cheeses and wine are a cheaper than in Seattle.

As a well off person your most significant purchase is going to be a house, and in Seattle they are 3x cheaper. I just left Seattle Greater Area and my 350sqm admittedly old house + a small ADU with an outdoor pool went for $2M (at the moment it was a downturn, so maybe $2.5M tops now). What can you get for that money in Greater Zurich Area? A 100sqm flat?

In the Zurich Greater Area, you can get this for example: https://www.immoscout24.ch/buy/4002631314. Keep in mind that in most of Europe, real estate ads show the living space, i.e. surface net of walls, corridors, closets, cupboards, etc... whereas in US/Canada it's the gross surface. Those 350sqm are prolly 280 "livable". So if you're willing to live outside the Zurich city core, prices are comparable to Seattle but construction quality is way higher.

Also, most mortgages in Switzerland are very peculiar: you pay 20% down, but then you don't ever pay off the principal, only interest on the remaining 80% which is owned in perpetuity by the bank. The interest rates are kept very low and the currency quite stable, because most of the citizens rely on it. So your monthly interest could be 400-500 CHF, and you invest the rest however you prefer.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by mc32 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #131
vldszn wrote: post #73

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Thanks for the comment. I hadn’t thought about this before, but it makes sense - I agree. About European Product Hunt - very good idea. I was thinking recently that we need more European social networks, messengers, etc. It’s a very good time to build imo =)

> About European Product Hunt - very good idea. Older members of HN will remember that Product Hunt probably came to life a lot because of HN and the submissions/comments from rrhoover (founder of Product Hunt). He's still active here, but before/during Product Hunt launch he was very active if I remember correctly. Maybe a grander idea is a European Hacker News, that has the potential to spawn the European Product H…

I can see it now, if you have a European Hacker news, you'll have a bunch of people complaining about how Europe isn't the world and admonish posters to not be so eurocentric on the site --that other people besides Europeans would read it... but anyway, good luck on the endeavour.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by eudamoniac »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #55

Ugh, back to nationalism. I think there is some sort of Darwinistic reason for this. Maybe its inevitable. Not to say that the US didn't help spur this, but its just sad to see. When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism. Even as Trump started getting aggressive, I kept trying to tell myself: "Well, these other countries surly know that most of the population d…

> When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism.

I hope you understand now that not even half of Democrats support these things, let alone most of the population, of any country in the world

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by corford »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #387
hermanzegerman wrote: post #372

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We don't laugh at Americans for being suckers, we feel sorry for them that they have to live with all this nonsense, and their current horrible administration. And we also look with horror because most of the bullshit in the US is coming to Europe with a 20 year delay

I'll feel very sorry for you and your country's horrible administration when the Russians are invading your country.

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