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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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anon291 wrote: post #354
Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #190

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> the idea of deporting people who have no legal status in this country is immediately branded Nazi Because that idea consists of harming someone over their birth circumstances, rather than any objective harm they may have done.

People who are in the country illegally undermine the rule of law and make people feel unheard leaving people to elect demagogues like trump. I predicted exactly this outcome with the election of Obama and his policies. How can the supposedly educated be so bad at applying history.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

variadix wrote: post #364
castis wrote: post #310

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I forget that the punishment for obstruction is on-the-spot public execution by a trained officer.

Where did I say that? It’s ultimately up to a jury to decide whether lethal force was justified. Obstruct and provoke law enforcement at your own peril.

It’s ultimately up to a jury to decide whether she was trying to flee being detained for obstruction and was in the process hitting and nearly running over a federal agent in her SUV.

Not that it will do her any good.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

cheese4242 wrote: post #116
variadix wrote: post #99

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“Not listening” is really an incredible framing for trying to flee being detained for obstruction, and in the process hitting and nearly running over a federal agent in your SUV.

Agreed. I'm continually shocked at the level of gaslighting still occurring around this event when we have clear footage from multiple angles.

Disagreement =/= gaslighting

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Post by ambicapter »

david_p wrote: post #231
ambicapter wrote: post #141

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If you watch any entrepreneur-focused channels, the entire premise of Palantir was "what if we just didn't care about what people think is ethically dubious? What if we went into business in all the places that people have traditionally shied away from for moral reasons?" It's part of Thiel's "Monopoly is good/You want to build the 0 to 1, not jump into a crowded market" mantra.

I started a company in that market 10 years ago. We compete with palantir. It’s a competitive market with lots of actors. On of their strengths is the ability of thiel to raise lots of money, and win huge gov contracts by convincing everyone that what he built is magic. it is not. palantir is regular enterprise software. morally, they are vilains for sure, but their superpower is being excellent at marketing themselv…

What I meant is that they espoused that attitude in the Silicon Valley world, which traditionally has not really invested in Defense. I imagine that's also why they're able to raise lots of money and build hype trains, they have one foot still in SV and SV VC.

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Post by ElevenLathe »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #197
Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #177

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> It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate ... "We" (a lot of people, not everyone who posts here) don't believe that. Lots of people disagree with immigration control as a concept period. The existence of that app is an abomination; the fact tax payer money is being allocated to it is tragicomic. Not spending it and just giving it as tax returns to the population would be so m…

> ... "We" (a lot of people, not everyone who posts here) don't believe that. Lots of people disagree with immigration control as a concept period. I mean sure but you have to acknowledge that is an extremely fringe belief that basically no one in the USA supports. The debate is on "how" it's being done not that we shouldn't have immigration control.

All of this misses the point of the moment, which is that the federal government is completely lawless and is incapable of responding to democratic or popular will. There is no debate happening. It does not matter which ordinary people "support" which position. Any political project (other than the current regime) in the USA in 2026 must contend with the fact that just establishing a democracy must be our first step. This is as true for Socialists as it is for non-regime-approved stripes of Fascist. It's the same for Chamber of Commerce Republicans and ex-hippie boomer liberals. Any talk of what we will do with a democracy once we have it is premature, because at the moment it simply does not matter what the opinions of the citizenry are.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

cheese4242 wrote: post #198
kevinsundar wrote: post #112

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So the “ICE agent” presented identification to her showing he was law enforcement? Nope. Oh so he got out of a vehicle marked as ICE? Nope. Do you want to live in a country where an unidentified masked individual with a gun can say “im a fed”, stop a car and force someone out without proper ID? That’s what you’re in support of. I’d say one would have a right to self defense. Also internal bleeding was literally just…

This is such a bizarre argument because the entire reason the two women were there in the first place is because they thought they were following ICE agents. Both women were part of "ICE Watch", an anti-ICE activist group. They had been following the agents around throughout the day, attempting to disrupt them, which is why the car was parked perpendicular in the street (to block the ICE vehicles) prior to the incide…

While I agree she knew who they were and disagree with the other person’s implication that she could have not known, in the US we are entirely within our rights to monitor law enforcement, despite attempts to end it (see what recently happened in Louisiana with bans on filming police within 25ft). So what you see as a provocation or “looking for trouble,” I see as exercising her rights and doing her civic duty. I imagine your opinion would change if you agreed with what she was doing a la “ one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.”

The sad reality is these people need to be monitored. If they think nobody is watching then they will behave worse than they already are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_Cave

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Post by commandlinefan »

ChromaticPanic wrote: post #330
commandlinefan wrote: post #246

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See, this is exactly why I don't believe the things I read - his only actual conviction was for falsifying business records. (He is a convicted felon, though, that's indisputable).

Must be why he is doing everything to not release the Epstein files. We have a critical thinker here.

And he may well be tried and convicted for something that comes out of those, but he hasn't been yet.

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Post by duskdozer »

pixelready wrote: post #66
dpoloncsak wrote: post #23

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I think its kind of a conspiracy/"Open Secret" that Palantir was funded by the government to side skirt any "Government cannot...." rules. It's not the government breaking privacy regulations, its a private company doing it....just under contract of the government. Thats the rhetoric on good ole r/WallSteetBets, atleast. Theil and Karp definitely play into this angle as well, but that doesn't really prove anything ot…

Yeah, I don’t have any evidence for this but it certainly would make sense. It seems likely that the US government was catching wise to the data brokering loophole around the same time as the PayPal mafia was cashing out and Thiel would have been in the right circles to run into any well-connected gov’t types sniffing around for the most morally flexible big names in the valley. But it seems equally likely that Thiel…

I mean people have complained about the 4th amendment loophole for a long time now

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megous wrote: post #224
TacticalCoder wrote: post #189

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Does US have such a lack of space to fail to absorb 2-5% increase over years? What's so hard about naturalizing or legalizing them, so that they can more easily interact with current power structures on the territory? Capital city in the country where I live got a 25% population bump over a few months a few years back, of people who didn't even speak the language. Barely anything appretiably negative overall happened…

That fails to meet the need of having a bogeyman to get people to cheer you on as you recruit your brownshirts and start looting the coffers.

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Post by TitaRusell »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #373
immibis wrote: post #175

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Germany has a system today cataloguing all the Jews in Berlin (the address registration includes your religion for the purpose of charging church tax), and everyone I've mentioned this to seems to feel it's neutral.

IBM designed and serviced such a system when it was known to be used by a genocidal government as the customer

Meh American oil companies were literally selling the oil that German tanks ran on until Roosevelt finally got them to stop.

And I am not going to single out the Americans here lots of people in my country made money on the Atlantik wall.

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