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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by internet2000 »

grouchomarx wrote: post #20
billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one

That's very unrealistic considering the market.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

catigula wrote: post #359
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found out a couple of years ago that you cannot rent a vehicle and use it to tow. This is a major barrier to the argument "when you need to tow just rent a vehicle that can do that" (an argument I would like to support).

https://www.enterprisetrucks.com/truckrental/en_US/towing.ht...

That's good to know.

However, the most likely place to rent a pickup from (U-Haul) does not allow this.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

bluGill wrote: post #230
Spooky23 wrote: post #184

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My brother has one, it is an amazing vehicle with better range performance than Tesla. It's dramatically better in the snow. Towing of large loads is a valid downside, but reality is that most people don't tow, and people who do are probably fine with 80% of the use cases (construction trailers, lawn trailers, etc). The business problem Tesla solved at Ford cannot is the dealer network. He pre-ordered his, and the de…

Electric cars still need maintenance. They don't get regular oil changes, but they wear out tires sooner. They have more recalls in general than ICE (this will likely change, but manufactures are still learning how to make EVs reliable). The parts of a car that are not common with EVs don't break for the first 100k miles, and almost nobody is using the dealer for cars that old. There is plenty of other work that is c…

> they wear out tires sooner.

This is dependent on how you drive them. EVs are fun, so you get a disproportionate number of people driving them aggressively. That's hard on tires. If you drive normal, you get normal tire life.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by whamlastxmas »

yread wrote: post #350

I find it funny that car discussions here are so much busier than computer discussions. I wonder if over there at the mechanics forum they spend as much time discussing their laptops and ignoring the drills and screwdrivers

It's because people have a bone to pick and aren't actually invested in the car industry

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #305
ActorNightly wrote: post #82

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>A pickup truck should just be max utility, The problem is as soon as you go EV, you use a lot of utility from the get go. With a truck specifically, because its a brick aerodynamically. There is no reason to buy a Cybertruck or Lightning when you can get a gas or hybrid F150 (or a Raptor) for a little bit more, and be able to sit at 80 mph on highways without worrying about range. The biggest suprise about the light…

You also gain some utility. Infinite torque at idle, cheaper 4wd, better traction control, fewer mechanical problems, etc.

They tow way better aside from reduced range. And the near perfect 50/50 weight distribution means they handle better than a truck should.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by echelon »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #191
ryandrake wrote: post #76

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I'll applaud anything that tries to move us away from the current stale design trend where every car looks like the same boring bar of soap and every truck looks like the same aggressive, drivable, mechanized fist.

The bar of soap is aerodynamic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient

They're so ugly to me.

Anything with that teardrop shape is immediately out of my purchasing decision matrix.

I like boxy vehicles and sharp angles you could cut yourself on. The Toyota FJ Cruiser. The new Ford Bronco. The new Land Cruiser FJ.

The original DeLorean DMC-12 speaks to me. The Ferrari F40. The Corvette C8.

The Unimog. FMTV trucks.

Nothing that looks like a dollop of sour cream or a tear drop breast implant is ever going to appeal to me. Aerodynamics be damned.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by whamlastxmas »

josefritzishere wrote: post #372

At a normal auto company the board would have fired Elon long ago. It's a shame too, because the right CEO could really turn Tesla around.

What evidence do you have of Tesla performing poorly as a whole compared to others in the space, and/or Elon not successfully growing the company at reasonable rates?

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by spiderice »

autoexec wrote: post #216
Lammy wrote: post #37

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> I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. So many vehicles, especially in the truck space, are almost indistinguishable and lack any kind of imagination. I 1000% agree with this, in fact I love the way it looks, like something out of a SEGA Saturn game. But I would never buy one for the same reasons I would never buy any Tesla, or in fact any EV, or any post-2014 car at all.…

> Wahhh I bought my car to make a statement and now it makes the wrong statement and I am self-conscious about it!!”. I I read it exactly the opposite. Somebody bought a car not because they were making a statement but just because they thought it was cool, only to find out later Elon was a nazi nutjob, and they don't want people to think they bought it because they share the same views.

Nobody thinks you share the same views as the CEO of your car company. Jesus. GP is right. It makes them seem utterly self-conscious.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

catigula wrote: post #28
grouchomarx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

>A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one I don't think this is actually true, most pickup trucks aren't designed for maximum utility. They're designed to sell a lifestyle.

I struggle to think what vehicle has more all around utility (by my own definition) than my Lightning. The only things it does not do well is tow 300 miles, and drive in NYC. Neither of which are on my requirements list.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by anigbrowl »

Lammy wrote: post #37
billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

> I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. So many vehicles, especially in the truck space, are almost indistinguishable and lack any kind of imagination. I 1000% agree with this, in fact I love the way it looks, like something out of a SEGA Saturn game. But I would never buy one for the same reasons I would never buy any Tesla, or in fact any EV, or any post-2014 car at all.…

You're right about it looking like something out of a game. I passed one wrapped in fluorescent green at a gas station the other night (owner was checking the tire pressure) and it indeed made think 'low polygon count'. I would not have been entirely surprised if the driver had looked similar.

Thing is, after the initial momentary amusement the novelty quickly evaporates. It doesn't have the compelling presence of, say, a Tumbler. https://brucewaynex.com/pages/tumbler

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