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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by zwnow »

nec4b wrote: post #389
zwnow wrote: post #382

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If you really believe this you need help

Oh, should we tell the BBC and Wikipedia to remove all these entries then: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2dz7r708dxo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Magdeburg_car_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_E...

You are aware that these are individual cases right? How many crimes do Germans commit that aren't blown up in the media? Are you this retarded?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by bigyabai »

u_sama wrote: post #196
great69 wrote: post #182

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I just assume it doesn’t matter where you live or who you are- anyone can have your data. It’s not admitting defeat. It’s just being safe and sane. To the point of the post though, please note that saying the internet is American (it’s not, it’s global) or publically giving up on the U.S. because of POTUS, three letter agencies, attitudes, etc. is not helping you win the many Americans over that may join you in some…

My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case, and all efforts must be made to increase self-reliance and disentanglement from the US. Both parties of the US disrregard european interests. An argument can be made the Internet is actually Chinese because the atoms your bit relies on are mostly produced in China or Taiwan.

Nevermind the supply chain issue, America apparently has extenuating issues booting China off their internal networks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by flumpcakes »

ta9000 wrote: post #214

Americans aren’t your enemy. We’re just as upset by these idiots running our government as you are.

I mean this kindly - but Americans need to ditch their current administration fast. I don't understand how a Democrat can be a lame duck for four years but the current president can literally threaten NATO members with invasion and nothing happens. If the US goes too far, it won't be coming back. There are no more Obama years of stability. No more soft power. No more tacit agreement from the rest of the democratic world with whatever hair brained scheme US wants to do.

The US is great at making money from monopolies. It has thousands of billionaires and it has more money than sense. It is not a technological supremacy. It is at a stark risk of turning away 450m highly educated people, who traditionally would align with the US as 'shared democracies'. Imagine those same people aligning with China, not out of shared principle, but out of necessity. That would end the US hegemony in a single day.

I don't think the average US person realises what their government is doing. All empires end eventually, but your America is running towards the finish line chasing some dream of 'greatness' and imperial ambition. Meanwhile the average schmoe doesn't even have universal healthcare.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by flumpcakes »

dzonga wrote: post #298

> That's why they're so fucking horny to have chatbots shit out software at superhuman speeds. That's why they think it's good that they've got a chatbot that "produces a thousand times more code than a human programmer." Then when you think with some certain people saying yeah use A.I to write your code .... we will become forever renters. if you can't write code by hand & have to depend on A.I what happens when the…

It is the American way. I have a feeling a lot of Americans would be happier living with European attitudes. The billionaires wouldn't. I think all the talk of 'freedom' really has blinded a lot of US citizens. Europe is a lot freer, in a lot of ways, and it also tries to stop the average joe from getting mugged by mega-corporations.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by flumpcakes »

Havoc wrote: post #150
drstewart wrote: post #92

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Agree, privacy lovers can flock to EU and China where surveillance never happens

Misguided as EU rules often are on implementation I do still have more faith in that then the American system where rule of law seems to be fundamentally breaking down

At least the European laws are debated, and more often than not will then be voted down. America has the similar laws for the state, they're just secret and do not help the average person.

It is also getting harder to argue against descriptive laws on communications when Grok is churning out child pornography and X thinks that's just "the user's fault".

I wonder how hard it would be to get seat belts enshrined in law in the modern day if they never existed. Europe is already throwing out a bunch of safety standards because King Trump wants unsafe American vehicles to be sold in the EU. How about the US stops making crap cars? Oh sorry, that's the "ungrateful" European in me. Trump really is throwing out 80 years of shared progress and proving the anti-US stance that all of it's allies are just vassals.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by aebtebeten »

TrackerFF wrote: post #374
aebtebeten wrote: post #259

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> We’re just as upset by these idiots The former soviets were upset with their empire, and got rid of it themselves. Is there any reason you all would not be capable of doing what they did?

There's no mechanism for the people to remove the president. You can't have a loss of confidence vote that every eligible voter can partake in. There's no coalition system where one part can pull out and essentially dissolve the sitting coalition. No snap election. By now it should be clear to anyone that the only way to remove the president, by lawful means, is to impeach and remove him. But with politicians choosin…

If I understand correctly, this is to say the Soviet Union was more responsive* to its people than the United States is?

If the people wished to, could they not make it clear what the results of a primary would be, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio...

If legislators are afraid of the President, should they not be more afraid of their constituents?

* in the event, it looks like it took them 4 years as well, 1988-1991, but somehow I doubt they were just telling themselves they'd sit around and wait for 2028...

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by berdario »

Fnoord wrote: post #361
berdario wrote: post #344

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> As a result they now can't book a hotel, use credit cards or access everyday services. As Nicolas Guillou says 'You are effectively blacklisted by much of the world's banking system' Totally agree that this is absurd and disportionate, especially as a consequence of a US decision. I mean, it's one thing to sanction a foreign billionaire: freezing their assets, thus preventing them from wielding their power in our b…

Who is 'we'? Which data are you referring to? (If you mean e.g. Samsung Galaxy with GrapheneOS, by all means.) We need to consider a few factors. If you are from EU, and you want GDPR to be enforced, you need to work with countries which follow your local law. The USA is hinting at no longer doing so, since it retaliates with sanctions. Now, where would you host, and why? Norway seems like an interesting target, sinc…

Good point... It depends on what I would turn up.

It it's something public/political like a Lemmy/Mastodon instance, I would pick a foreign jurisdiction which is unlikely to enforce something like the UK's OSA or USA and EU sanctions... I don't know where it would be best, some country in the Balkans, maybe?

If it's a service (even commercial) meant to be used only by a few people that I have direct (personal or business) relationships, I'd just ask their preferences (and bias towards the cheapest jurisdiction for hosting).

If it's something B2C, hosting exclusively outside of Europe would probably just make things more difficult to me, so it'd probably be within the EU (Hetzner?)

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by embedding-shape »

schubidubiduba wrote: post #387
embedding-shape wrote: post #354

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Maybe I worded it poorly, or someone of us must misunderstand something. Are you saying there are regions that are outside of Europe-the-continent, but that are a part of EU, as it belongs to a country that is within EU too? Which one(s) are those, if so?

Those are called Outermost Regions (OMRs), and there are 9 of them, for instance french guiana. Due to their remoteness, they are exempt to some EU laws. But they are part of the European Union. Then there are some regions which are part of the European Economic Area (EEA), but not the EU, like Norway or Switzerland. And several further distinctions and special cases afaik.

EEA, countries in Europe but not in EU, Schengen and so on I'm familiar with, but it's the first time I heard about Outermost Regions. Thanks for explaining!

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by miroljub »

Attrecomet wrote: post #276
miroljub wrote: post #266

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That's the definition of censorship.

Of course not. It's only censorship if the rules are censoring rules. Just because a billionaire right wing extremist cries "cEnSoRsHiP" everytime people who criticise him aren't imprisoned doesn't mean it is.

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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by anthk »

Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

iOS was always irrelevant in Europe. No regulation was needed, ever. It was useless.
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