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Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by LorenPechtel »

derriz wrote: post #187

There is no mention that these drivers were ONLY impaired by weed. But I can’t believe a paper would not look at the confounders. I know quite a few who are not regular smokers but will imbibe after a few beers if it’s being passed around. Also weed is popular with consumers of stimulants. Without knowing the possible confounders, this statistic tells you very little.

If you do an adequate job of looking for confounders you'll likely torpedo the study because it will turn out to be something already known.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by rafabulsing »

sokoloff wrote: post #385
Mawr wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing "100% safe" vs the danger cars represent is so ridiculous I have to question if you're kidding? We're talking 40,000 people killed every year in the US alone on account of traffic accidents. And you're talking about grapes and crayons? And swimming pools are pretty dangerous though? There are around 4,500 drowning deaths per year in the US, so on the order of 10x fewer than due to car accidents, but still q…

GP is the one who argued “not 100% safe” as evidence of inherently unsafe. I agree with you that it’s a comically wrong threshold, which is why I offered that series that was progressively more safe but never 100% safe as examples against that line of reasoning.

Make the threshold "won't kill you 99.9% of the time, even if you have little to no training at that specific activity" then. Is that specific enough for you to engage meaningfully with the conversation at hand, and show why you think driving is at the same side of this threshold as eating grapes or using crayons?

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Post by dragonwriter »

loeg wrote: post #357
dragonwriter wrote: post #305

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> We have world-leading criminality rates. That's what happens when you use criminalization and penal slavery to replace chattel slavery.

Progressive love to repeat this, but it doesn't make it true.

> Progressive love to repeat this, but it doesn't make it true.

Conservatives love to deny this, but it doesn't make it false. That criminalization was an immediate, direct substitute for chattel slavery is extensively documented, and that the patterns of criminalization used for that purpose became culturally entrenched and spread (even where the particular practices on top of that served to make it a replacement for chattel slavery, like convict leasing, generally did not in their original form beyond the South, though commercial exploitation of coerced prison labor did become a widespread national phenomenon, even though there has been some winding back in some jurisdictions of that particular practice in recent years.)

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by Zak »

Mawr wrote: post #377
phito wrote: post #321

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How are people not wearing seatbelt? I've never seen a car that doesn't make a constant annoying noise if you're not wearing it while driving. Do they mod the car to disable this safety system? That seems too far stretched...

Then you've only ever seen fairly new, modern cars. Seatbelt warnings are a relatively new feature.

Seat belt warnings became mandatory in the USA in 1972[0]. From the mid 1970s until fairly recently, the warning tone would stop after a few seconds.

[0] https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/10832/chapter/5

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Post by boston_clone »

rayiner wrote: post #390
malikolivier wrote: post #374

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I've never smelled cannabis before in my life and don't know what it's supposed to smell like. I live in an area of the world where it's illegal and I guess not many people are smoking it. I may also have had a quite sheltered education. This year, I went to British Columbia, and there was this weird scent everywhere that I could not describe. My wife said it was cannabis. I'm still not used to it so I don't know if…

I’ve never smoked it or been around anyone smoking it. It’s more of a lower class thing in the U.S.: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642851/cannabis-greatest-among-... (16% of households making under $24k smoke cannibis regularly, versus 5% of households making over $180k/year).

hell yeah for being in that 5%! but why bring classism into it? in states where it’s more normalized, it’s pretty even across those differentiators:

https://doh.wa.gov/data-and-statistical-reports/washington-t...

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by MichaelNolan »

Mawr wrote: post #382
wiml wrote: post #238

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Okay, that was insensitive of me. But yes, what you say is the logical consequence (except I'm not kidding about grief and impatience). My point really is that if we want our kids not to get horribly injured or killed, we can't just focus on "other people" making bad decisions like driving drunk. We have to acknowledge that we've collectively built a system that requires people to put each other in danger with cars,…

> Cars bring a lot of benefits like autonomy and decentralization, how do we keep that but kill fewer people? 'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens This is a solved problem: look at the current state-of-the-art road design documents from the Netherlands. Apply. Problem solved.

Per 1 billion vehicle-km the US has 6.9 deaths and the Netherlands has 4.7 deaths. That’s obviously better much but I wouldn’t call it “problem solved”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...

(Wikipedia links to itf-oecd.org/ where those numbers come From)

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Post by vel0city »

Mawr wrote: post #377
phito wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are people not wearing seatbelt? I've never seen a car that doesn't make a constant annoying noise if you're not wearing it while driving. Do they mod the car to disable this safety system? That seems too far stretched...

Then you've only ever seen fairly new, modern cars. Seatbelt warnings are a relatively new feature.

I've had annoying seatbelt warnings on my cars aging back to at least the 90s.

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Post by vel0city »

crustaceansoup wrote: post #327
phito wrote: post #321

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How are people not wearing seatbelt? I've never seen a car that doesn't make a constant annoying noise if you're not wearing it while driving. Do they mod the car to disable this safety system? That seems too far stretched...

Just click the belt in with no one occupying the seat and sit on top of it.

I never understood this though. It seems like more work and even more uncomfortable just to knowingly make things worse for yourself.

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Post by boston_clone »

cj wrote: post #367
boston_clone wrote: post #353

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Fascinating. I wonder if this is a genetic thing similar to people who sense soap for cilantro, except with terpenes instead of aldehydes.

I mean weed really doesn't smell good. If you're not turned off by the smell, it's a learned pleasure. Similar to how nearly every child will dislike the taste of alcohol, yet after drinking for a while they'll learn to tolerate or enjoy it. It can be a very overpowering smell. When an odor overpowers, it's harder to discern one scent from another.

there are strains that, to me, smell pleasant. maybe you’re extrapolating a bit? terpenes are what make up most essential oils, in fact.
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