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I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Lovable was able to one-shot it (except for the top margin): https://spacejam-pixel-perfect.lovable.app/

All I did was give Lovable a single prompt: "with pixel perfect accuracy recreate this website: https://www.spacejam.com/1996/"

Edit: Commenter below may be right.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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post #380

Just use Playwright Skill ( https://github.com/lackeyjb/playwright-skill ). It is a game changer. Otherwise it is Claude the Blind, as OP mentioned.

But that's cheating because it then has the source code containing the table and its styles.

I can confirm that this is what it does.

And if you ask it to not use tables, it cleverly uses div with the same layout as the table instead.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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post #391

Lovable was able to one-shot it (except for the top margin): https://spacejam-pixel-perfect.lovable.app/ All I did was give Lovable a single prompt: "with pixel perfect accuracy recreate this website: https://www.spacejam.com/1996/ " Edit: Commenter below may be right.

It just fetched the HTML and replicated it. The usage of table is a giveaway.

Any LLM with browser tool can do it (Kombai one shots it too for example), because it's just cheating.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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post #391

Lovable was able to one-shot it (except for the top margin): https://spacejam-pixel-perfect.lovable.app/ All I did was give Lovable a single prompt: "with pixel perfect accuracy recreate this website: https://www.spacejam.com/1996/ " Edit: Commenter below may be right.

It just fetched the HTML and replicated it. The usage of table is a giveaway. Any LLM with browser tool can do it (Kombai one shots it too for example), because it's just cheating.

haha wow - it also just straight up copied the .gif files byte for byte - same SHA sum

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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RAG and LLMs are not the same thing, but 'Agents' incorporate both. Maybe we could resolve the bit of a conundrum by the op in requiring 'agents' to give credit for things if they did rag them or pull them off the web? It still doesn't resolve the 'inherent learning' problem. It's reasonable to suggest that if 'one person did it, we should give credit' - at least in some cases, and also reasonable that if 1K people h…

> if 1K people have done similar things ad the AI learns from that, well, I don't think credit is something that should apply. I think it should. Sure, if you make a small amount of money and divide it among the 1000 people who deserve credit due to their work being used to create ("train") the model, it might be too small to bother. But if actual AGI is achieved, then it has nearly infinite value. If said AGI is bui…

- I don't think it's even reasonable to suggest that 1000 people all coming up with variations of some arbitrary bit of code either deserve credit - or certainly 'financial remuneration' because they wrote some arbitrary piece of code.

That scenario is already today very well accepted legally and morally etc as public domain.

- Copyleft is not OSS, it's a tiny variation of it, which is both highly ideological and impractical. Less than 2% of OSS projects are copyleft. It's a legit perspective obviously, but it hasn't bee representative for 20 years.

Whatever we do with AI, we already have a basic understanding of public domain, at least we can start from there.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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post #255

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What a profoundly bad faith argument. We all understand that singular words are public domain, they belong to everyone. Yet when you arrange them in a specific pattern, of which there are infinite possibilities, you create something unique. When someone copies that arrangement wholesale and claims they were the first, that’s what we refer to as plagiarism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9huNI5sBd8

It’s not bad faith argument. It’s an attempt to shake thinking that is profoundly stuck by taking that thinking to an absurd extreme. Until that’s done, quite a few people aren’t able to see past the assumptions they don’t know they making. And by quite a few people I mean everyone, at different times. A strong appreciation for the absurd will keep a person’s thinking much sharper.

>> They key difference between plagarism and building on someone's work is whether you say, "this based on code by linsey at github.com/socialnorms" or "here, let me write that for you."

> [i want to] shake thinking that is profoundly stuck [because they] aren’t able to see past the assumptions they don’t know they making

what is profoundly stuck, and what are the assumptions?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Well this was interesting. As someone who was actually building similar website in the late 90's I threw this into the Opus 4.5. Note the original author is wrong about the original site however: "The Space Jam website is simple: a single HTML page, absolute positioning for every element, and a tiling starfield GIF background.". This is not true, the site is built using tables, not positioning at all, CSS wasn't a th…

Off topic, but you have used imgur as your image hosting site, which cannot be viewed in the UK. If you want all readers to be able to see and understand your points, please could you use a more universally reachable host?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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We can solve that question in an intuitive way: if human input is not what is driving the output then it would be sufficient to present it with a fraction of the current inputs, say everything up to 1970 and have it generate all of the input data from 1970 onwards as output. If that does not work then the moment you introduce AI you cap their capabilities unless humans continue to create original works to feed the AI…

This is known as the data processing inequality. Non-invertible functions can not create more information than what is available in their inputs: https://blog.blackhc.net/2023/08/sdpi_fsvi/ . Whatever arithmetic operations are involved in laundering the inputs by stripping original sources & references can not lead to novelty that wasn't already available in some combination of the inputs. Neural networks can at best…

This is simply not true.

Modern LLMs are trained by reinforcement learning where they try to solve a coding problem and receive a reward if it succeeds.

Data Processing Inequalities (from your link) aren't relevant: the model is learning from the reinforcement signal, not from human-written code.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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post #398

Well this was interesting. As someone who was actually building similar website in the late 90's I threw this into the Opus 4.5. Note the original author is wrong about the original site however: "The Space Jam website is simple: a single HTML page, absolute positioning for every element, and a tiling starfield GIF background.". This is not true, the site is built using tables, not positioning at all, CSS wasn't a th…

Off topic, but you have used imgur as your image hosting site, which cannot be viewed in the UK. If you want all readers to be able to see and understand your points, please could you use a more universally reachable host?

Why is that?
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