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Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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It's also the best distribution for jellyfin media player because it's trivially easy to get the jellyfin client to autostart in kde and it's not that hard to get it auto updating and rebooting nightly. This distro plus an intel n150 mini pc (aoostar n1 pro is decent) and a flir dongle and the flir remote is a big win.

Can I ask you whether HDR works without any hiccup? I can't seem to find a definitve answer online.

HDR can be a hit-or-miss even on Windows though, thanks to the myriad combinations of monitors, cable versions and standards. So hard to give a definite answer besides "YMMV".

In my case though, it works fine without any hiccups. My main setup is a 7800XT, connected to an AOC CQ32G3SE using a DisplayPort 2.1 cable. HDR works fine both in Steam game mode as well as in desktop mode (KDE).

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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This was 9 years ago... Read the official blog with installation instructions. https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4882

I know, which is why my original comment stated " and I believe Mint's official stance *was* that they didn't support dist-upgrade " and furthermore, I went on to state " Not sure if that policy has changed now, but that used to be their stance for a very long time ".

Would have been better if instead of "that used to be their stance for a very long time" you would have written "that used to be their stance a very long time ago, not sure about currently". Additionally, it would have been nice for you to spend a couple of minutes and check the current official stance.

Like I said, I have been using Mint since 2014 and the upgrade was an official stance at least since then.

I think 3-5 years (let alone 10 years) is a long enough time to pass after which one should check before posting old information. Imagine someone talking about how few games Linux has (pre-Steam) or how impossible installation of Linux is (because one needs to order physical CDs).

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Bazzite is an insanely awesome distro! I used Ubuntu for 8 years constantly fixing issues, from the day I installed it (because it didn't support basic Ryzen), after every distro upgrade, and various other random points, e.g. when installing a package whose dependency overwrote something. Each issue took hours to fix, usually searching forums for arcane command lines and trying everything until something worked (poss…

100% this.

Also, to anyone who recommends Ubuntu (or derivatives), I point them to this page: https://ounapuu.ee/posts/2025/02/05/done-with-ubuntu/

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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The point is the original commenter said there’s a risk of these kinds of projects getting shut down. The creator chimed in and claimed there wasn’t much risk, and then someone posted comments from the same creator in the recent past talking about shutting the project down if an upstream change was made, validating the original comment and making the creator sound less valid.

Comments it seems taken in bad faith

It's a legitimate concern.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Well, that's apples and oranges. I was playing starcraft on wine earlier this year and there were constant freezes and crashes on new hardware.

Have you tried playing it via Proton or Proton-GE (via Steam or Lutris)? Vanilla Wine is a bit of a rough experience, I'd only recommend it for advanced users who know what they're doing.

Ah sorry, it was lutris (the name escaped me). I've done all the combinations of wine and wrappers to wine. All of them have a sort of unstable relationship with the calling environment. alt-tabbing out of games never works, there are freezes and game crashes when you try to switch in and out of games a fluidly as you can on windows.

I believe you that steamos is better, but it's also a single task environment where you're not checking your email between rounds of halo.

I'll give proton a try, though i believe that was in play when i was laddering with lutris.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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I've been using linux since the days of downloading slackware on a stack of 1.44mb floppy disks. I gave up on linux gaming around 2007. I've revisited it this year, but it still sucks. it's just not worth it. just relax, install windows and late the escapism take over.

I also started my Linux journey with a turn of the century Slackware install. Linux has come a long, long way since then, but I learned a lot back then. Distros like Bazzite are practically "turn-key" now. In any case, I would rather use those hard earned skills hand configuring Slackware today than to put with the shitshow of Windows pop-ups, forced account creation, telemetry collection, UI changes for the sake of…

True. I think i'm done after windows 10 really runs into the ground. I have a nuc that runs windows 11 and it's kind of a shitshow.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Now the title on tip reads "The operating system for the next generation of gamers" while just yesterday it was simply "The next generation of Linux gaming". The change is for the better, but I would still like to have words like "Linux" and "distro/distribution/pack" be seen somewhere soon after the visitor loads the page.

We don't consider ourselves a distribution and linux is mentioned all over the rest of the page. It said Linux before but apparently that wasn't clear that it's an operating system, less is more sometimes.

The current version is clearly better than the old one, that's for sure.

Since you are receptive to feedback, I will give my marketer/PR-professional's opinion that hopefully you put in use.

I recommend checking out the "Don't make me think twice. A common sense approach to web usability" book by Steve Krug. It's an old book, but most of the advice is common sense and still applies. I especially want to point out the "Chapter 7. The Big Bang Theory of Web Design".

The basic idea is that: 1. the information you want to tell visitors has priority. You should make a list of all (everything, not only the things that are currently visible) the things you would want to communicate to visitors and rate it ("Linux" before "gaming" before "smoother, simpler" before "next generation", etc). 2. The home page is the most important page. The visible first-view of the home page is the most real estate. 3. The home page and first-view content should be organized according to the priority list. The longer the visitor stays on the page, the more of the more important stuff he should see. The progression should be logical; the 10th item should not come before item-5. All the important things should be read in 5s and the rest of the important things should optimally be read without scrolling at all.

The organization of your website is currently extremely suboptimal. The first view of the main page has hardly any information, even on 1440p screen. The problem lies in both: 1. amount of total information. So much wasted space, instead of engaging/revealing text and compelling/informative images. 2. the importance/uselessness of such information. E.g. "for the next generation of" - what does it even mean? What purpose does it serve? Why is it there? Couldn't valuable space be used better? For sure it can.

Compare the first view of your website with products: https://rubyonrails.org https://www.hey.com https://basecamp.com Most of the examples are by the same people/company because they mastered the art.

Or with other distros: https://www.linuxmint.com https://omarchy.org https://tails.net https://www.parrotsec.org https://manjaro.org

You don't need to scroll at all in order to see what the page is about and what are the distros' USP (Unique Selling Proposition). - "Linux Mint 22.2. The latest version of the friendly operating system is here. Linux Mint is an operating system for desktop and laptop computers. It is designed to work 'out of the box' and comes fully equipped with the apps most people need." - "Omarchy. Beautiful, Modern & Opinionated Linux by DHH" - "Tails is a portable operating system that protects against surveillance and censorship." - "ParrotSec. The ultimate framework for your Cyber Security operations." - "Manjaro Linux Empowering People and Organizations. Taking the raw power and flexibility of Arch Linux and making it more accessible for a greater audience."

Not all the first-views of distro pages are as good as they could be, but they are way above what Bazzite displays. To be clear: the content of the main page as a whole is fine, it gives the necessary information and is quite well organized. It is only the first-view side is what I have problems with; it is not worthy of the rest of the page.

Before you respond, also check the "The Top Four Plausible Excuses for not Spelling Out the Big Picture on the Home Page" in the same Chapter7. :-)

It does not matter what you want to call Bazzite. It only matters what words people (your visitors, your potential "clients") know and have associations with. I haven't seen you complain when you are featured in the "Best Linux distros for gamers" lists. :-) And that's how it should be. Don't fight the society, go with the current.

Please check DHH (Ruby on Rails, Omarchy) interview about distros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcTSAhvj-s (from 22:30-33:35)

Communication is about clear positioning through clarity, not about muddling through obfuscation.

Your website has a good core (base under the first-view), but the first-view needs A LOT of work. Just a little effort would go a long way. Let me try to make quick changes to the first-view: 1. Add tag line at the top. Part of the logo, instead of "Become a Supporter" (this is not a correct place to ask for that)?. If not in logo, then separately to the right/bottom of it. What kind of tag line? E.g. "Gaming in Linux? Easy-Bazzizy!". Sounds corny, but it works. Honestly! This is something I came up with in under 1 minute, but even this is better than not having anything. 2. Make site og title/description something useful/searchable/identifiable. 3. Get rid of "load/show/animate pics only after scrolling". This is highly irritating for people who want to quickly find out about Bazzite. 4. Change "The operating system for the next generation of gamers" to "The operating system for X gamers". X stands for 1 or even better 3 (3 word rule) words like: serious, no-nonsense, busy, dedicated, passionate. 5. Change "Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs." to "Linux distribution made safe, easy and efficient. Focus on games and gamers. On desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs." 6. On the right make list of main USP ("Play your favorite games", "Take your game library anywhere", "Upgrade and rollback fearlessly", "Secure by default", "Hardware compatibility out of the box", "Supporting Handheld PC and couch gaming setups", "Run your favorite containers") with headers that jump to appropriate parts of the main page. 7. Make a list of usual complaints/opinions of OS switchers, so visitors could associate and see themselves switching. In form of questions: "Are you tired of watching ads in your OS?", "Do you enjoy all the AI Microsoft is trying to push down your throat?", "Want an Operating System working for you, instead of against you?", "Tired of unnecessary hassle and slowness of OS and simply want to live and play?", "Don't want to be a slave anymore?", "Desire to be treated as an adult instead of a child?", "Make play, not fray?", "Linux-curious, but afraid?", "Want an easy and safe way to play on Linux?". You can come up with a lot of stuff that resonates with visitors, who are thinking of switching OSs (imo you should mainly target switchers from Mac/Win instead of linux distro hoppers). These questions can be rotating, adding animation/liveness to the first-view. Make clickable to take to Testimonials. 8. Add some small images/screenshots as well.

One can always argue with the specific details, but I think I managed to demonstrate the overall point of these changes making the website and the experience of visitors much better.

I hope you will put my friendly feedback to use. Best wishes.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Here are good videos with benchmarks: https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY

And I get totally different results. It not just the distro. It the version of the Kernel, the version of proton, whether you are using X or Wayland etc. Etc. Etc. The very point I am making is that it is so variable. So posting benchmarks pretending that it proves anything is asinine. I won't even get into all the other issues with the mouse getting lost on some games, text being too small/to large. Having to fuck a…

Your claim was that you tested and "You get 5-20 FPS less and often more input latency and stutters (1%, 0.1% lows)", "it decent enough sample size to determine that the claim that Linux performs better than Windows isn't true". That you tested so well, that it can't be considered to be anecdata. You claimed that it is universal truth.

So I provided you with solid data from testers, who found many cases in which Linux was on par or faster than Windows.

And now you are trying to change the goal.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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They’ve each had one new generation release since 2013.

Yeah that’s 2 different models and at least 1 time that I have to toss my entire system. Nintendos had 3 generations in that time and Xbox has had countless churn in its hardware.

You are aware that old consoles still play games, right? My PS4 still plays all my PS4 games and lets me stream PS5 games to from my living room to my bedroom. My Xbox 360 still plays games just fine last time I checked (last June or so). Getting rid of old consoles doesn’t make sense unless you absolutely have to have the latest tech and also don’t have much storage space.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Perhaps you're not a software developer. Most devs understand that there's a big difference between "it worked for me a few times on my development workstation" and "it's routinely tested in all possible configurations under a variety of circumstances as part of a test harness or CI/CD process". In fairness to game devs, alt-tab'ing out of a running game would be a challenge for many testing frameworks as it's not so…

Many game devs develop on windows and for good reason in that most of their customer base are there, plus the stability of drivers there. Your assumption of what you've been taught in compsci circles with many resources at their disposal does not hold up in places in which fast iterations are required, and with little time to set up testing frameworks because as you said they're hard to test.

> Many game devs develop on windows

I would say most game devs. That doesn't change a thing I've said.

> plus the stability of drivers there

Driver code for Nvidia, AMD, and Intel are all shared across Windows and Linux these days. Have been for years. AMD's even made a point of pulling improvements from the Linux drivers back into the Windows drivers.

> Your assumption of what you've been taught in compsci circles with many resources at their disposal does not hold up in places in which fast iterations are required

I have developed games. I write libraries useful for gamedev. Every game developer I know uses version control and most use CI. Contrary to your opinion, version control and CI help to iterate faster with greater confidence, and don't require lots of resources, just a GitHub account and 5 minutes.

What an odd thing to argue.

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