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Post by walthamstow »

marliechiller wrote: post #172
walthamstow wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nowhere near social media scale yet.

Id argue its already even greater. The amount of botting and astroturfing happening now means that a good chunk of the content people are consuming on those social media sites is generated by LLMs. Social media is the vector, but its the content thats the virus and OpenAI et al control what that virus contains

That's a really good point. Even if social media is and remains the medium over chat assistant apps (likely imo), all the content everywhere will be AI slop.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

astura wrote: post #155
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 1980s, the American Heart Association listed many contributors to heart disease. A missing one: smoking. At some point, it was revealed that Big Tobacco was a major contributor to the AHA. They now list tobacco as a big risk factor.

This is straight up just a bold faced lie. Big Tobacco never funded the American Heart Association. AHA never purposefully ommited smoking as a cause of heart disease. In fact, they were at the forefront of the research to prove a link between smoking and heart disease. They met with the The Surgeon General in 1961 to request the formation of the Advisory Committee on Smoking and Health. Report can be viewed here - h…

I would be careful about labeling stuff “lies.”

What’s that saying? “Make your words sweet, because one day, you may need to eat them.”

Shadow funding has been a thing for over a century, but it’s getting harder to pull off, as time progresses.

My mother used to be in charge of fundraising for a nonprofit, and she had to be very careful about the provenance of funding. She was just doing it for a science center; not research, so she was actively seeking support from corporations, and needed to make sure that there was no hidden “quid pro quo” (sometimes , there was “aboveboard quid pro quo”). Some of the stories she told me about dodgy funding schemes were eyebrow-raising.

A lot of time, there’s no “quid pro quo.” They just want to have additional research out there, to “muddy the water,” in the future, so they may proxy-fund some pretty whacky stuff.

They will also go after individuals; not organizations. Why leave an NPO paper trail, when you can just send the underpaid professor on an all-expenses-paid “fact finding” trip?

People kind of suck, sometimes.

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Post by jcfrei »

qwertox wrote: post #332
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

> This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Google, Microsoft, Meta and Amazon, among others, would have zero issues in ensuring that OpenAI does not grab a market they own; it shouldn't be that hard to bring OpenAI into a position where they cannot recoup their investments, hence going bankrupt. The big players then would also have the benefit of having those very bright minds being on the market for them to gr…

Microsoft is financially backstopping OpenAI - they are not a competitor.

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Post by gizmodo59 »

amelius wrote: post #121
Tangokat wrote: post #96

Paying $200 for Pro at the moment. If a single ad shows up anywhere I'm out. In the free tier? Well.. it's sad but inevitable.

They might not show you ads but they can still recommend you certain products based on a sales commission.

I pay almost the same amount for youtube premium as chatgpt plus. And when I see the creators inserting their own sponsored ads I get frustrated. It stopped youtube's own ads but not the product placements and other ads by the creators.

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Post by state_less »

cameronh90 wrote: post #372
state_less wrote: post #283

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Chatgpt is a proprietary eponym[1], like kleenex, or Google for search. That's a relatively strong attractor based on their first mover status. I nevertheless use tissues, and search engines like brave search, sometimes duckduckgo, and claude or openrouter for my LLM models. I think there are too many good alternatives for Chatgpt to turn the screws too hard on their users, but we'll see where it settles out. As usua…

I think I hear as many people calling it ChatGBT or ChatGTP as ChatGPT.

"Oh no it's GPT, a Generative Pretrained Transformer shaped into chat responses."

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Post by jcfrei »

aranelsurion wrote: post #270
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

Also ads in LLM can be perfectly merged with the content, it'd be impossible to know if LLM tells you something because that's the most likely useful answer or the most profitable one for its owners. Can't be just ad-blocked either, it might be the ultimate channel for ads. > how strong of a moat there actually is for ChatGPT. None of the above requires OpenAI to be around though. Google, Apple and Microsoft each hav…

"Using chatgpt" is now synonymous with talking to an AI. I wouldnt underestimate their brand recognition and moat.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

astura wrote: post #213
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. My only source was from personal experience. I saw the ads, myself, and remember when it changed. I think that the article may be a bit of "damage control." Gave it a +1.

So because of an advertisement you might have seen 40 years ago you made up a major funding source out of whole cloth?

No. I also read about the funding reveal. I also mentioned that, but I guess it didn’t register.

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Post by ryandrake »

wiz21c wrote: post #340
afavour wrote: post #131

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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

> So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to introduce it without alienating customers. every single platform since the 1990's has introduced ads. My kids find it totally normal to have them. Believe me, if you train (!) people to accept ads, they will soon think it's normal. And besides, if ChatGPT goes with ads, Google will follow directly. So the users won't have the choice anymore. But ok, if I have to pay…

Don't worry, you'll pay for the service and get ads. It's the inevitable end-state of these kinds of services.

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Post by sandworm101 »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #256
afavour wrote: post #131

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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

I can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded. 2. Place the turkey in your GE Two in One Oven set to 350, cooking for 10 minutes a lbs. 3. While waiting for your Turkey to finish cooking, why not have an ice cold Coke Zero? Click here for nearby locations. 4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.

It wont be that obvious. It will explain to you the dangers of doing your own cooking, the number killed by food poisioning each year, then suggest something from doordash instead. Or it will suggest you eat something faster, like pop tarts, so you can spend less time cooking and more time interacting with your AI buddy.
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