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EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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In just a few short weeks we've gone from it losing by a vote to being forced through no questions asked so the question is, who paid them off?

The european parliament still has to vote for it where it will probably fail as long as public pressure against it keeps up

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#392

I am a fairly apolitical guy but in light of this I will cast my next votes for the parties that want to leave the EU from now on. Yes, I know Brexit was a failure and the UK is no better in terms of privacy but there has to be some sort sort of political repercussion for the people who made this possible. Since there seems to be nothing else to do, then voting to leave is better than the status quo.

Maybe read the actual article. This still needs to go through parliament, where many pro-EU parties are also voting against this proposal.

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Power sharing is very rare in the UK. What is more common is a party with a large majority with lots of infighting between factions of their party

Not usual, but two out of the last 20 governments is not what I would call very rare. its more likely than it has been in a very long time with multiple smaller parties gaining seats. Nationalists in Scotland and Wales have been around a whole, and NI always had its own parties, but on top of that we now have Reform and the Greens making gains.

Fair - "very rare" was a little over the top. I'm sure we can agree on "uncommon" :)

Are you predicting a minority government in the next election? Time will tell!

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> Nothing substantial has happened to the three texts since last week, it's just that "chat control is back" drives traffic and "Council preparatory body formally approves draft position that got consensus previously but didn't formally get passed because people were fighting over Ukraine stuff for too long" doesn't. While I agree with your point, it's still crucial to raise awareness of Europe's actions. It may be a…

Awareness of the reality, yes, but there's no reason to play people's emotions to get them "aware" of it - or in other words, get them angry about it.

Mass surveillance of private messaging is something anyone with a brain should be angry about. Your position is insane.

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the power balance isn't relevant. the original commenter said that they find it funny that Europeans get upset about Trump pretending he'd take Greenland. honestly the comment just seems like deliberately triggering 4chan-esque fare with little to no value to it. the power balance is completely irrelevant. it's one territory not happy with another power coveting its territory. how bizarre and unexpected

The power balance is relevant because USA can just take it if they want it. People in Europe will be upset but that isn't going to change the outcome. USA has offered to purchase it many times. I think ultimately this will end up being resolved with USA getting rights to something like 80% of the resource value and Denmark getting 20% in exchange for getting to keep the title.

the power balance isn't relevant because "the US could just take it" doesn't make it any more surprising that Europeans aren't happy with the idea. Spain could take Gibraltar if they wanted, that doesn't mean it's hilarious that the British aren't happy about the idea

the original commenter quite obviously doesn't find it surprising or funny, they're just anger baiting

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this is an assuaging read. the German government decided it was illegal. reading this featured article, they don't appear to have changed their minds, plus another couple of countries, too. so what are we worried about?

The problem is that it doesnt matter if Germany is against it. If this gets approved in the EU parliament, the countries will have no choice but to agree to it. That is how the EU works. The time to disagree has come and gone basically.

EU laws require unanimity. if Germany, i.e. by far the most powerful member, doesn't want it and sees it as illegal, it's not going to happen, is it?

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Levels of EU vs non-EU immigration has been a particular subject of interest for the UK before and after Brexit. And note also that the UK and EU share high-quality education systems, Western Judeo-Christian culture and Western-aligned geopolitics. Recent waves of immigration from countries in the Middle East and North Africa are importing wholly different culture, geopolitics, and crucially, we are importing from co…

Half of Europe's cultural development was initiated by Muslims and the Renaissance started with Muslim scholars in Islamic Spain, which was Islamic for the lion's share of a millennium, leading to the hilarious fact that a state in the New World settled by Spanish-speaking settlers gets the "Calif" in its name from the muslim term for a leader due to it being so totally embedded in culture. But OK, yeah. Judeo-Christ…

The only link between the Renaissance and Islam is this:

When the Byzantine Empire fell to the Ottomans, many Greek scholars fled to Italy bringing:

• Greek manuscripts

• Knowledge of ancient philosophy

• Classical Greek language expertise

This boosted the revival of classical learning.

The Renaissance had far more to do with the Catholic Church than it had with Islam, and I’m curious to know who it was that told you otherwise?

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_692a2c6e0e588191ada9533927d72af4

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#399

Suddenly it has become normal to scan face in 3D, nonchalantly demand copy of ID and passport, freeze people's money and demand full financial statement arbitrarily. Not only there is no push back but things are becoming more and more restrictive. Authorities and banks avalanche everyone within their reach over all available communication channels with "warnings" about scams and frauds. What direction are they aiming…

We’ve gone from “Don’t share lots of information online.” To “Submit everything on demand…”

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Half of Europe's cultural development was initiated by Muslims and the Renaissance started with Muslim scholars in Islamic Spain, which was Islamic for the lion's share of a millennium, leading to the hilarious fact that a state in the New World settled by Spanish-speaking settlers gets the "Calif" in its name from the muslim term for a leader due to it being so totally embedded in culture. But OK, yeah. Judeo-Christ…

The only link between the Renaissance and Islam is this: When the Byzantine Empire fell to the Ottomans, many Greek scholars fled to Italy bringing: • Greek manuscripts • Knowledge of ancient philosophy • Classical Greek language expertise This boosted the revival of classical learning. The Renaissance had far more to do with the Catholic Church than it had with Islam, and I’m curious to know who it was that told you…

The roots of the renaissance were established much, much earlier in Islamic Spain. It is essentially forgotten history (and largely systematically erased history, at that)

Track down a copy of Bettany Hughes’ “When The Moors Ruled In Europe”. I think it is on Youtube. It is long but exceptionally clearly presented.

Put simply, were it not for the Reconquista, what we understand as the renaissance would be very clearly perceived as Islamic in origin.

And maybe don’t trust ChatGPT to do anything but regurgitate the prevailing interpretation of history, which was, in fact, reshaped radically by Catholic propaganda.

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