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Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by throwaway2037 »

ryan_lane wrote: post #361
omaewabaka wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Japanese, I will mention that I've seen Japanese people correct each other on this, both in private and in public. Its because we might get the meaning by context, but if you pronounce it wrong, it sounds very strange in that context where its clearly wrong... To default to an assumption that this is due to racism / cultural gatekeeping says a whole lot about your world view and perception about Japanese people…

As a foreigner living in Japan, I'd like to take the opportunity to let you know that it's not ethnocentrism, but that Japan is for the most part quite xenophobic, and racist. It's common to hear Japanese folks make fun of other people's accents in what should be obviously extremely inappropriate settings, like at work, for example. The fact that you consider this ethnocentrism furthers the point that xenophobia and…

Yes, I also find it hilarious (in any culture) when someone is critical of a foreign speaker. Then when that person speaks a foreign language, usually their accent and style is so predictably awful that people are hiding under their desks. That is why I made the joke about asking natives: "So, how is your Thai... or German?" Those two languages are pretty rare to hear in Japan, especially for non-native speakers. It acts as the perfect monkeywrench in their gears.

    > My wife points out when I make mistakes in Japanese, but I ask her to do so. If a coworker or stranger were to do so, it would be embarrassing, and that's the difference that matters.
Another great point. In my experience, the very best language lessons are from casual interactions when a stranger makes a correction to my foreign language when replying me, but not in a derogatory manner. Most of the time, you can tell they are trying to be subtle and give you a helpful hint.

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by kjs3 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #357
kjs3 wrote: post #349

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Does "I'm just not going to be a dick to these people for ultimately trivial reasons" really need an explanatory framework in your world?

The GP wrote: > at our Flemish school I assumed this meant high school or earlier (18 and under). Most kids I grew up with (including myself) wouldn't be mature enough to do this without explicit instruction (and some policing!). That is why I want to understand more. Example: Did they have a big school meeting where they explained to local kids: "There are bunch of war refugees coming. Here are some things we can do…

So "not being a dick" really does need an explanatory framework in your world (and an elaborate one, with mostly irrelevant detail). That's.......a shame.

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by panick21_ »

lurk2 wrote: post #329
panick21_ wrote: post #258

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1) I really don't see how it prohibilitivly expensive. Much poorer places have built them and there are tons of companies who are willing to do it. Specially if you have a 30 year plan. 2) Another one I don't buy if you have a 30 year plan. Buses have higher operating costs, need more space, have less capacity and the surrounding infrastructure gets more expensive. The only thing BRT is good at, is making it easier t…

> The only thing BRT is good at, is making it easier to get start because you initially don't need ground infrastructure. The only thing rice is good at is being a cheap source of nutrition.

Nutrition is the point of eating, getting started isn't the point of public transport.

Any actual competent government cares about the long run, not just how fast to get started.

And even then, if you do a 'full' BRT its quite expensive. Its really just normal buses with some minimal priority that is much cheaper to get started.

And if you know its a route that eventually will have to get upgraded, its actually more expensive to first do the BRT and then upgrade.

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by nokun7 »

Froztnova wrote: post #25
superconduct123 wrote: post #13

I'm always surprised how big the population of Indonesia is yet it seems culturally underrepresented in the world compared to a lot of smaller countries Almost 300 million people but it rarely comes up in the news or pop media

I also did a double take when I learned that they were Muslim-majority too. It flies in the face of a lot of assumptions.

What sorts of assumptions?

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by mc3301 »

pezezin wrote: post #386
mc3301 wrote: post #358

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I've known a few younger people who can't go into shops they used to do their part-time work (バイト) at, simply because the looped jingles did, in fact, drive them nuts.

That is sad, but kind of expected. But seriously, why do the shops do that? Why does nobody complaint? Do Japanese people really like those jingles?

I've heard that some places, such as train stations, did away with jingles (etc.) to bring more silence. The feedback was that those places felt "lonely."

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by silentguy »

silentguy wrote: post #383
rothos wrote: post #333

> The U.N.'s report highlighted what areas are expected to be the next megacities and surpass the 10 million mark, including: > [...] > - Hajipur, India. Estimated population of Hajipur in 2025 is 213k people. Not sure why it's on the list. Throws the rest of the article into question for me.

I have sent an email to the contacts listed in the press release regarding this. Let's see what they say. I believe you are correct. They have made a mistake in the report. Hajipur is a small town near Patna, Bihar which is much bigger than it is.

This is the response I received.

>Thanks for your email. In our online FAQ for the DEGURBA methodology (https://population.un.org/wup/faqs), you'll see:

Does DEGURBA combine too many cities into a single conurbation?

In countries where population data were only available at relatively coarse resolution and densities are generally high, these estimates may include conurbation that are too large. For example, the DEGURBA-defined city that includes Hajipur in India appears to aggregate multiple distinct cities and towns. Using finer grained population data or even better a population grid based on a geo-coded census may lead to this conurbation shrinking and turning into a multitude of individual cities and towns.

The following online portal provides you more details: https://human-settlement.emergency.copernicus.eu/raster.php - Based on this methodology, Hajipur corresponds to the whole red urban centre combining multiple contiguous urban units. If you zoom on the interactive map you'll see the name of smaller urban places included. For the most recent periods, the initial units of analysis for the population grid were the 5,967 Sub-districts/Tehsils/Cercles of the 2011 census of India projected using the 2001-2011 censuses. Population distribution is downscaled using estimates of building volume from the GHSL, which you can see here: https://human-settlement.emergency.copernicus.eu/visualisati...

You can see that Patna is the larger/closest urban area, but it is not physically connected to the rest of the urban area due to the river in between. SO Patna appears as distinct urban area.

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by ryan_lane »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #391
ryan_lane wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a foreigner living in Japan, I'd like to take the opportunity to let you know that it's not ethnocentrism, but that Japan is for the most part quite xenophobic, and racist. It's common to hear Japanese folks make fun of other people's accents in what should be obviously extremely inappropriate settings, like at work, for example. The fact that you consider this ethnocentrism furthers the point that xenophobia and…

Yes, I also find it hilarious (in any culture) when someone is critical of a foreign speaker. Then when that person speaks a foreign language, usually their accent and style is so predictably awful that people are hiding under their desks. That is why I made the joke about asking natives: "So, how is your Thai... or German?" Those two languages are pretty rare to hear in Japan, especially for non-native speakers. It…

> Another great point. In my experience, the very best language lessons are from casual interactions when a stranger makes a correction to my foreign language when replying me, but not in a derogatory manner. Most of the time, you can tell they are trying to be subtle and give you a helpful hint.

I disagree with this. I never want a stranger to give me a correction on my language skills. Unless they've been asked to help, they're being rude, even if they don't mean to be rude and even if they aren't being derogatory.

I go back to the point about "how would you feel if someone corrected your english pronunciation". Maybe they're doing it to be helpful. Maybe the rest of your pronunciation is pretty spot on, and they're helping you correct a single word. It's still embarrassing (and embarrassing someone is rude!). Maybe it isn't for you, but it is for most people.

I already have a teacher, and I've asked friends and family to correct me, but I don't want a stranger correcting me.

Re: Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world

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Post by hearsathought »

defrost wrote: post #365
hearsathought wrote: post #324

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> There is evidence that Parameswara converted to Islam following his infatuation with and marriage to a girl from the Samudera Pasai Sultanate. Doesn't that seem like the silliest thing you ever read? When the infatuation ended ( like all infatuations do ), did he convert back? The only thing royals are infatuated with is wealth and power. If anything, don't you think the guy converted to get preferable treatment fr…

> Doesn't that seem like the silliest thing you ever read? Not even close to be frankly honest. Leaving aside the delibrate silliness of Edward Lear, Roald Dahl, et al and focusing just on origin stories relating to the spread of various beliefs ... * Have you heard the one about the Buddist Monk, the Monkey, Pig, Fish, Dragon, and Horse spirits ? * the tale of a great snake that carved rivers ? * maybe that fishing…

> focusing just on origin stories relating to the spread of various beliefs ...

The difference being that nobody believes those silly things. Or are you saying you believe these nonsense also?

> I suspect the marriage was political ..

Why didn't you say so in the first place.

> but he wasn't marrying into a family of arab traders

Did I say he married into a family of arab traders? Stop with your bullshit already.

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