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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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> a system designed not for human flourishing but pure profit But please, don't be coy: tell us about that other system that is designed for "human flourishing" - we're dying to learn about it. Because I grew up under communism and I lived its miserable failures: the non-profit system didn't even manage to feed, cloth or warm/cool us. > new human-focused modes of living and organizing society Oh, these sounds sooo pr…

I appreciate the lack of sarcasm in your reply. And echo the other reply's point about not being able to criticism the system that is literally destroying the planet and in by design totally unsustainable... > But please, don't be coy: tell us about that other system that is designed for "human flourishing" - we're dying to learn about it. Libertarian socialism, anarchocommunism, any system where human freedom is the…

> The complete opposite. Freedom of association is the entire foundation of it.

There is a saying: you can be communist under capitalism but you can't be capitalist under communism. And it's true: there are plenty of communes, coops and non-profits being run in the US right now.

Can you describe how that would work the other way around under "libertarian socialism"?

> sustainable environment designed for human beings, and not profit

Profit is also for humans, not space aliens. Without profit, how do you convince people do the necessary jobs nobody wants to do, like sanitation or war?

> people on the moon? Almost definitely not.

Then the country and the system resulting in people on the moon will come and take over your own "designed for human beings" because they will innovate and advance technologically while you will be playing hippy in the park.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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> You still need to be rich to partake. Again, you can invest, today, in AI stocks and ETFs, with just $100 and a Robinhood account. No need to be rich. > Super-intelligence will make labor worthless (or very cheap) it won't make property worthless. If the labor is worthless, the great majority of people will be poor. Due to the law of supply & demand, property will be worthless since there will be very little demand…

> Again, you can invest, today, in AI stocks and ETFs, with just $100 and a Robinhood account. No need to be rich. And then? I'll compensate the loss of thousands of dollars I don't earn anymore every month with the profits of a $100 investment in some ETF? > If the labor is worthless, the great majority of people will be poor. Due to the law of supply & demand, property will be worthless since there will be very lit…

> And then? I'll compensate the loss of thousands of dollars I don't earn anymore every month with the profits of a $100 investment in some ETF?

Probably most of it at least, because under your supposition that the AGI will replace labor we'll get incredibly cheap products and services as a result.

> Property has inherent value.

You weren't talking about inherent value when you wrote "Super-intelligence will make labor worthless (or very cheap) it won't make property worthless." which is what I replied to.

> None of this has any connection to anything I've written. I'm talking about the concept of a resource curse.

And my point was that the wealth of a nation does not come from its resources but its entrepreneurs. Resources are a course usually when monopolized and administrated (looted) by corrupt governments, not when exploited by private entities. AIs controlled by governments would scare me indeed.

> Other rich people can buy their products and services.

> He could still sell his cars to Altman

Are you joking?! How many cars do you think Altman can buy?! Do you really think the rich people can be an actual market?! How many rich people do you think there are out there?! Are you talking about middle class by any chance?

> Why do you think rich people would like to buy your labor if using AI/robots is cheaper?

Because labor evolves too, just like it evolved when automation, IT and outsourcing came around. Yes, I can't sell my dirt digging services in the age of digging machines but I can learn to drive one and sell my services as a driver. Maybe I can't sell coding in the age of AI but I can sell my ability to understand, verify and control complex systems with code written by AIs.

And so on, you get the idea. Adaptation, creativity and innovation is the name of the game.

> You're proving my point

> The point is: Because rich and powerful people still have to pay for labor their incentives are at least somewhat aligned with the incentives of the average person

Not at all. My point was that Elon and rich people are interested in you as a customer, not for your labor. That is the old mindset and the one we need to evolve from. See yourself as selling and buying products and services, not your labor, and the world will be full of opportunities. "The rich" won't seem like a separate class from you, but regular people you can interact and profit from (while mutually benefiting).

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Will this affect the prices of Macbook Pros and Mac Studios, especially the 512 GB version?

Probably not at all since the RAM on Apple’s chips is on die, meaning they manufacture it themselves with the chip. They’re not beholden to RAM manufacturer pricing. Arguably they could raise prices just because RAM has gotten more expensive and they want to match, but I doubt it given the crazy high margins they already charge for it.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Holy crap. I bought right after this curve hit, like the day after. I went into Microcenter for a new PC w/64gb ddr5. The day before, their kits were ~$189. The day I bought they were $360. Now the same kit on Newegg is $530. It's been 2 weeks.

Ouch that’s painful. At least you didn’t buy it 2 weeks later!

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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It’s not an utopian idea to try as a society to hedge and distribute returns to all members. From a human resource perspective, it is insane (ie. costly and inefficient) to put it on the shoulders of each individual. But that’s where we are (almost; happy to live in a country with still some public services like unified healthcare and retirement funds). Yes, you can drill your own well to have water in a society, for…

> It’s not an utopian idea to try as a society to hedge and distribute returns to all members. It's not utopian, is downright dystopian. Redistribution means forceful confiscation (through taxation) from the most productive members of society. This in practice means punishing work, innovation and creation and rewarding laziness and low productivity. This will logically lead to a less productive societies that will fa…

It seems we live in two almost separate only thinly connected realities (*). In such cases I’ve learned that while I wouldn’t mind deepening the exchange, for that to feel worthwhile for me it would have to happen in person and not online.

(*) my definition of reality includes not only observable “facts“ that we may agree on, but also our experience of it; our perception, judgments, values etc.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Lucky for you, I'm not a Marxist. There is a very large current of people who are socialists but not Marxists, and have spent literally over a century analyzing history, economics, and capitalism itself, without insisting on the coercive hierarchy of Marxism or capitalism. And it has a long history of working in practice, even if in the modern day it tends to be crushed by both Marxist and capitalist forces, because…

I've seen mainstream "socialists" (Obama, Sanders, countless Europeans) embracing and sustaining authoritarian communist thugs like Chavez, so... We've seen here in EU socialist policies cripple our economy to the point we're lagging the USA and we can't even defend ourselves from the blood-hungry psychopath in the east. > libertarian socialism Is this a real thing? Any examples of being implemented anywhere? Cause i…

> Is this a real thing? Any examples of being implemented anywhere? Cause it sounds like a oxymoron to me.

Let me catch you up on 150 years of capitalist alternative, theory, critique, and analysis, that answers every single snarky little "gotcha" remark you have: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-ed...

I'm not going to spoon-feed you anymore because you're clearly not interested in a conversation, and are quite happy with the status quo. I hope for your sake you don't end up on the wrong side of capitalism.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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post #391

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I appreciate the lack of sarcasm in your reply. And echo the other reply's point about not being able to criticism the system that is literally destroying the planet and in by design totally unsustainable... > But please, don't be coy: tell us about that other system that is designed for "human flourishing" - we're dying to learn about it. Libertarian socialism, anarchocommunism, any system where human freedom is the…

> The complete opposite. Freedom of association is the entire foundation of it. There is a saying: you can be communist under capitalism but you can't be capitalist under communism. And it's true: there are plenty of communes, coops and non-profits being run in the US right now. Can you describe how that would work the other way around under "libertarian socialism"? > sustainable environment designed for human beings…

See my other reply. Or don't, I don't care.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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post #392

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> Again, you can invest, today, in AI stocks and ETFs, with just $100 and a Robinhood account. No need to be rich. And then? I'll compensate the loss of thousands of dollars I don't earn anymore every month with the profits of a $100 investment in some ETF? > If the labor is worthless, the great majority of people will be poor. Due to the law of supply & demand, property will be worthless since there will be very lit…

> And then? I'll compensate the loss of thousands of dollars I don't earn anymore every month with the profits of a $100 investment in some ETF? Probably most of it at least, because under your supposition that the AGI will replace labor we'll get incredibly cheap products and services as a result. > Property has inherent value. You weren't talking about inherent value when you wrote "Super-intelligence will make lab…

> Probably most of it at least, because under your supposition that the AGI will replace labor we'll get incredibly cheap products and services as a result.

No, we will get cheap _labor_, not necessarily cheap _products_.

> You weren't talking about inherent value when you wrote "Super-intelligence will make labor worthless (or very cheap) it won't make property worthless." which is what I replied to.

I was talking about value, not price.

> AIs controlled by governments would scare me indeed.

What is the difference?

> Are you joking?! How many cars do you think Altman can buy?!

Why would Elon need to sell more cars? And for what exactly? You have nothing Elon wants.

> Maybe I can't sell coding in the age of AI but I can sell my ability to understand, verify and control complex systems with code written by AIs.

Unless the super-intelligence is better than you here too. Why wouldn't it be?

> Adaptation, creativity and innovation is the name of the game.

It is the name of the game until super-intelligence comes along which will be better at all of this than you. That's exactly the scary thing about super-intelligence.

> My point was that Elon and rich people are interested in you as a customer, not for your labor.

This is the same thing. I can only be a customer if I can bring something to the table that Elon wants from me. That thing is money. I can only bring money to the table if someone that has money needs something I can provide. That thing is human labor. If super-intelligence removes the economic value of human labor, I can no longer earn money and consequently Elon will not be interested in me as a customer.

> See yourself as selling and buying products and services, not your labor, and the world will be full of opportunities.

Where exactly is the difference between me "selling a service" and me selling "labor"?

> "The rich" won't seem like a separate class from you, but regular people you can interact and profit from (while mutually benefiting).

I doesn't matter whether or not you see the rich as a seperate class. What matters is simply the following:

People who own a lot of stuff, don't sell their labor and/or buy a lot of labor will profit if labor becomes cheap. People who don't own a lot of stuff, sell their labor and don't buy a lot of labor face an existential threat if labor becomes cheap.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Will this affect the prices of Macbook Pros and Mac Studios, especially the 512 GB version?

Probably not at all since the RAM on Apple’s chips is on die, meaning they manufacture it themselves with the chip. They’re not beholden to RAM manufacturer pricing. Arguably they could raise prices just because RAM has gotten more expensive and they want to match, but I doubt it given the crazy high margins they already charge for it.

I researched this and you are not correct. Apple doesn't make their own memory chips.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

#400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not at all since the RAM on Apple’s chips is on die, meaning they manufacture it themselves with the chip. They’re not beholden to RAM manufacturer pricing. Arguably they could raise prices just because RAM has gotten more expensive and they want to match, but I doubt it given the crazy high margins they already charge for it.

I researched this and you are not correct. Apple doesn't make their own memory chips.

Interesting, so it’s integrated in the SoC, but they don’t produce it themselves as part of the CPU die?
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